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BTW, I think that Occupy is a great comparison to this. Just like any protest, it makes sense IMMEDIATELY following the wrong-doing. But when months have passed (and nearly a year since the S hit the fan), it just looks sad and pathetic. If you don't care, that's fine, but you put on that PSU shirt and represent this University. Just as this whole situation (the event, the inaction, the bumbled handling by the BOT...) was shameful, this is just as bad. When you guys had that rally before the Navy game, you expressed surprise and anger that more people weren't involved... we weren't because we didn't want to be. Because it makes us look like fools, just like the shirts mocking the NCAA and the ones that say "We are... pissed off". There are a ton of things to be proud about with Penn State, and we dwarf more than 95% of other universities in THE WORLD in quality... this cheapens that. I don't care if you think it doesn't, on the outside, it does.
Don't expect a huge turnout.
I actually disagree with nearly everything in this post and think its sad when people just let it go and move on. The University and yes Joe who was part of the University, are reputations I would/will fight for until it is proven that I should not. I dont like that people have just tossed in the towel. I like to move on, and have, in the fact that I am still as big a supporter as ever, but I also have not just tossed aside the things I consider to be very unjust. Just not the way I roll. To each their own there. I dont try and force anyone to support this or support that. I dont jump in on everything that goes on. I think the only sad and pathetic part is Penn Staters thinking that fighting for other Penn Staters is sad and pathetic.
I am proud of those tons of things, and none of this cheapens those things in any way that I can see.
I also, in hitting another point in the thread, couldnt care less about immediate perception. I would worry more about long term perception, or better yet, ACTUAL reality.
Suck It Emmert!! and "Sorry for not being sorry for being a Penn Stater" - Philafan
+1000. Especially this part: "I think the only sad and pathetic part is Penn Staters thinking that fighting for other Penn Staters is sad and pathetic."
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"Whoever’s trying to kill me isn’t getting the job done. But one day, I’m going to punch that f___r in the face."
The people who matter (corporations, the government, academia) still hold PSU in high regard. Very little has changed there.
We are just going to have to disagree on this.
Hallelujah. I feel the same way. When PSUers fall for the BoT's schtick and roll over to appease the BoT and the misinformed public, it's surprising and discouraging, but it's their right. Most people seem to be wiling to let others stick up for what's right. Many of those folks will ride the wave though if someone like Bob Costas gets the tide going the other way (not that I'm a Costas fan).
It's not accomplishing anything though. It's one thing to fight and get something done. But this "rally" isn't going to change on thing. All it will do is invite the media to write a story about it and keep the wound open longer.
We don't need to do this. The only person that this rally is fighting for is Paterno and his legacy, and he is dead. He doesn't care anymore. No one outside of PSU cares. That's just the reality of the situation.
I'm not "falling" for anything. I don't trust the BOT anymore than you do. Don't make me out to be a fool.
Wow! I post something I thought was an honest and reasonable comment eleven hours ago and I come back to this--this event. My apologies for stirring some people up--although maybe that's not a bad thing sometimes. I guess I'm most intrigued by some of MTayl72 comments.
Let me get this straight. If I believe that t least half of the trustees are going to resign right after the Saturday rally is over, I'm some sort of noble savage worthy of respect, but if I'm realistic about what public statements like this can and cannot do, I'm a hippie freak rabble-rousing for the hell of it? Really?
Frankly, my comment about business titans was not intended to be a rip on all business people. One of the most surprising things about the failures of this BOT is that so many members of this BOT are extremely successful. People who have proven that under normal circumstances, they can handle power effectively and are good decision-makers. And yet they failed here--repeatedly. It's a mystery to me--and many other Penn Staters.
This story is not over--of that I am certain. I expect lawsuits against the NCAA to become public before too long. And I expect many of the trustees to be sued in civil court. And then we'll see what's what.
Folks, whatever else we do, we need to be reasonably civil to each other.
Oh yeah--and MTayl72--you're thinking of the wrong person. I did NOT post anything about Joe Paterno after the first rally. In fact, I indicated that I was furious at the guy who suddenly brought up the standup Joe as Franco was starting to speak. He was ordered to remove it after Franco was done. This rally for those of us who are directly involved has everything to do with the failures of the current leadership, and nothing to do with Joe Paterno. Sorry getmyjive if that makes your disapproval a more complicated effort.
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I have been following some threads on here today, and this being one of them...I thought you and BotB had some decent convo's and then seemed like you got your panties in a wad over not much....
your board, your rules, but seems pretty lame to ban someone who never really said anything offensive about PState or your posters...you banned the guy that got "threatened" by an self described "Has been"....
I actually have no real issue with BotB on the whole. Andrew knows what happened. It solved a bigger issue. BotB is far from being the worst person to come by.
David, you know my stance. I want every BOT member gone. I just can't support any of the groups trying to do it for reasons we have already discussed. Sue the NCAA if you want, won't change the restrictions.
Let's get real David. People who are attending those rallies are there because of Joe Paterno. Yes, they want BOT to be gone, but it is because they besmirched Paterno's legacy.
This isn't complicated at all...
1) The media will take this rally and show PSU as a bunch of loons who are protecting Paterno.
2) The rally will accomplish nothing.
I don't need any other reasons to not support the rally. I cannot get past those two.
You're right about some of the supporters. Some. I and my guys aren't among them. And the media will have a tough time pumping up the Joepa role at this rally.
Clearly you're certain that this event will be pointless. I happen to believe otherwise.
IMO the only way to get rid of the BoT is by strategically voting over the next few years. Vote out the alumni trustees who were there last November, vote out the Governor when he is up for re-election. That will take care of him and the 8 other people he appoints.
We obviously can't vote out Peetz, Surma, Frazier etc. The only way I see them leaving is if it starts to really interfere with their actual jobs. That being protests outside of Merck, US Steel, BNY Mellon. I wouldn't encourage that though.
Exactly it. At this point, you protest with your votes.
Well, we hope to see some of you on Saturday. And we hope that every Penn Stater is laughing and smiling at about 8:40 Saturday night.
Well. How did it Go? Any updates on turnout. Speeches?? Next steps when your organization spoke
I'm also interested in hearing how it went.
Looks like it was a pretty pathetic crowd.
The Collegian estimates 100 people showed up.
As has been noted elsewhere, the size of the gathering was significantly smaller than the first (probably 200-250), and I would suggest that the difficulties of the late announcement of the rally had something to do with that. And that was out of our control. Also, the fact that we had Franco Harris for the first one and didn't for this one factored in. However, we had literally two dozen volunteers who roamed most of the stadium parking fields and lots offering tailgaters information cards and rally info--thousands of those cards were distributed, and the overwhelming response was extremely positive. What I learned was that late information about an event in the middle of tailgating is not going to elicit a large movement of people to that event. The alum parked next to me was very interested in the rally and our "cause" but told me that he just couldn't leave his tailgate spread for a rally some distance away. A number of the volunteers reported the same thing.
However, as I've told a few people, including that CDT reporter, what we were primarily trying to do was provide some hope for those alums angry like ourselves that the story wasn't over yet--that people were still energized to keep working on this crisis from the outside. And some thousands of people were reminded of that reality.
I'll probably have more to say after the storm sweeps through our area--and whenever we get our power back that I'm certain we'll lose for a while. Hunker down, everybody. This too shall pass.
PS: I was delighted that the booing of Erickson was as loud as it was at halftime. Imagine if the trustees had shown up!
PPS: Some folks at the rally were told that one emeritus trustee told another one at the Friday trustees meeting that he thought those people wanting to get rid of the trustees were "advocating anarchy." Seriously--those words exactly. What a strange bubble these people live in.
Guess where he got that buzz word (anarchy) from........Peetz herself. She used it in her interview with the Alumni Association magazine editor.
That explains a lot. I hadn't had the stomach for reading that piece of revisionist stuff--maybe I should. Thanks for that info.
it boggles my mind that the current BOT members dont see how they F'd our university.. I mean, they got our school 8ss rammed by the NCAA and they don't even see it
It's the BoT that permitted the creation and propogation of that perception without the tiniest bit of a challenge, and in fact, at several junctures the BoT and the administration have actively supported that exact perception through both their actions and their public statemetns and yet you arent' outraged at the M-Fers? You're perfectly happy to allow them to continue guide the university when they're the body most directly responsible for the creation of that perception the outsiders, who's opinion you cherish so much, have of Penn State and you won't voice even a peep of dissent? You're happy to just roll over and accept it? I'm absolutely mystified.
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Well, if you bothered to read my other posts in this thread you would see where I said I'm just as angry as anyone with the way things went down. The BOT rolled over and played dumb while the media made their false narratives and butchered the entire school. It pisses me off to no end.
But we're at the point now where what's done is done. The media got their pound of flesh. The public outside of Penn State doesn't care anymore. Holding little rallies on the lawn of the IM building where a hundred people show up isn't going to change it. All it does is give the perception that PSU fans are angry that Paterno was fired. Meanwhile, 60% of America thinks Paterno was the one molesting little boys. (And really, if I had a soap box and a megaphone I think I could get a 100 people to a rally against bed bugs at a PSU home game.)
I think the PSU community is ready to come together, move on, and get past this. This in-fighting isn't helping matters. There is a process for replacing BOT members. I suggest the interested parties focus their efforts there behind the scenes. For me, until the day comes that there's new leadership, PSU will not get any of my money.
BotB is actually my brother...he's a real good guy, a really good FB guy....He has always had admiration for PSU, still has the pic of him and JoePa on his desk from back in the day on his recruiting trip....you got one of the very few true Buckeyes banned that are 'Non Alumni" PSU fans...
And funny, I've read some other topics he was in, discussing football with HamiltonLion and being called out as not knowing anything, yet just about everything he said played out in the game....
In the words of Rodney......"Can't we all just get along"....
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