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We'll see man. There is a reason here why I am optimistic... Not just drinking the blue kool-aid, trust me. I have heard good things from people in the know... If things change, I will let you know, but things still look good for us at this point...
WE ARE! And we will always be...
I have a crazy gut feeling that Erickson was told to sign the Consent Decree by some of the BOT Members and that they (BOT) will say that he signed nothing under duress and that they knew what they were doing.
If not why wouldn't PSU BOT already be screaming this from the rooftops? It is plain and simple, if Erickson signed it not legally then boom there you have it. But he did sign it legally because that is what he was told to do by the crooks.
Face it, at a time when everyone needed them the most the leaders of this school laid one big fat goose egg.
Again, I don't see it happening big guy. I will keep you posted though...
I don't even care to know if it changes or stays the same. They're going to grind the f*ck out of it. If I'm the NCAA, which is love to be someday, its now a big FU and damage infliction.
I think it's time for Casey and Toomey to step up and jump on board. I would hope this is the kind of bipartisan issue that both can stand behind and use some federal influence for their constituents...
That may be their goal. But it doesn't take very long for some of these politicians to have them sitting in Washington. And it doesn't help these politicians much to settle. They'd rather play hardball and be able to say that they took on and beat the NCAA for the people of Pennsylvania. These guys aren't going to be in line with Emmert's planned dance steps.
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Ha. Ok then, I wont... Damn
Washington? Lol. That would work if most of the country wasn't in favor of the sanctions. Let's not act like there is no polling nationally on this topic
Most aren't. Most don't give much of a shit.
Many hate Joe and everything PSU and want us to burn so they can further themselves.
And many think the NCAA is absolutely ludicrous (may still hate us) but are pretty tired of the NCAA.
Not to mention with the recent negative wave, Enron-ride-of-broken-dreams like ride the NCAA is currently on. Many people stand to gain a lot by fighting them. And many of them are people with connections in Washington from both parties.
This is all PR. They do not want to get into discovery.
They could have issued a counterclaim in the Corbett lawsuit, instead they file a separate action to get more headlines. They all will be handled together likely with a motion to consolidate but wait to see if discovery starts in the next thrity days.
Totally agree. Bottom line is this money is for charity. The state and school should be accountable to the NCAA for the money in terms of how it was allocated and used. No problem there. If the NCAA gets the money, who is holding them accountable. Shapiro from prison???? They look like idiots IMO for doing this right now...absolute idiots. They should have said...keep the money in PA and be very detailed in your accounting for this 60 million. Instead they are saying they will pay tens of thousands if not more to fight for money allocated to go to chariy. If the victims were outside of PA, they may have legit reason. As far as I know these were all local victims.
"One man didn't build this program and one man sure as hell cannot tear it down."
I'm not saying you're totally wrong. But we polled it not too long ago, I know the parties are. Connections help, but a lot of reps are careful about looking soft on child rape (uninformed voters determine that connection, not people who actually read).
I understand what you're saying, though I didn't reference the endowment. I was referring to the monies granted to Penn State from the State Budget. I thought that money would be fungible. I also thought any money that the NCAA received would also be fungible. That, specifically, is what I was answering another poster for - on why the NCAA cares where the money gets spent. I believe the NCAA would just use this money as a slush fund that they claim is to help against child abuse, but really just sits in their budget. In the same way that the state of Texas used their Stimulus funding that was earmarked for Education, but TX got out of by simply defunding their budget by the exact amount they received from the Federal Gov't.
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A good article on why the NCAA is suing PA.
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Wow!!! Emmert's ego is just soooooooo f@cking big!!!!
Why does he/NCAA care where the money is spent as long as it is spent to protect children? The answer is simple. He thinks he is God. This is a fight where there is no upside to the NCAA other than ego/power tripping.
And claiming the money is "theirs"? Technically it is not theirs. It is restricted money to be used for the sole purpose of giving to organizations that protect children. Period. It's not theirs.
Man, I hope somehow, someway they can be taken down.
Casey doesn't have a brain cell in his head.
EMMERT is a Class A, A-Hole
Yeah. The Miller case is good law for the NCAA, but this doesn't appear to be on point with the facts here... As usual, it's fact specific/sensitive... I doubt the court wants to expand Miller to include these facts. But, that's up to the court.
This post was edited by rmj147 14 months ago
Emmert had already promised this money to his friends on boards of select charities around the country...just a guess..the size of the fine is ridiculous in itself
corruption is corruption
my viewpoint of PA vs. NCAA (sanctions, not fine money) is based on the idea that Emmert/NCAA has things to hide relative to
A. The handling of the Miami investigation and knowledge (emails/documents stating Emmert knew for example)
B. The handling of our particular case and punishment.
With that said, it's my personal opinion that the NCAA settles with PA to avoid continued media scrutiny (and maybe save Emmert's job) since the state of PA will have subpoena power and the NCAA's handlings of other cases is certainly in bounds. All it would take is a couple leaks of Emmert's knowledge of the Miami investigation and siyanora to him. That's the basis behind me thinking the NCAA settles before they let it reach that point. If they have nothing to hide, then I definitely think it drags on for a couple years and PA ends up losing in court in the long run. I'm willing to hedge my bets on that corrupt organization having plenty to hide though relative to their investigations. Hinges on receiving standing, obviously.
This post was edited by PSU12 14 months ago
To put it bluntly, Fuck them. They want the $ outside of PA so they can take their cut. The entire fine should go directly to charity. NCAA should not be allowed to touch it.
Since it's in escrow now, decide which charity they want it to go too. That's fair and helps victims. Lining their own pockets with their ill gotten cash does nothing for victims. But we all know the NCAA only cares about victims when it's convenient for their own purposes.
If the NCAA's motion to dismiss is denied, a preliminary injunction staying the sanctions seems likely, because as you note, the sanctions are time limited and NCAA can "win" simply by dragging out this case.
This post was edited by Cambria Nittany 14 months ago
No your right, I actually was just trying to drive the point that the only way sanctions get put on hold is if the university appeals.
I think that most BOT members simply took the path of least resistance and followed national public opinion at the time. My guess is that many leaders at the university were for their own convenience hoping to not have to take an actual position on the Freeh report, consent decree, NCAA sanctions and were content to sit silently. Oddly enough, the NCAA lawsuit now all but forces PSU to take a position to either rebuke the consent decree or stand by the decree but tick-off nearly everyone in PA over money going out of state.
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