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We would be in the situation that Miami is in but possibly worse. As bad as the sanctions are it is better than the NCAA taking 2-3 years and having that hanging over our head. I have a feeling we would have done as Miami did and impose bowl bans and othe self sanctions and it still would not be enough. Also, the sanctions have ceased the call by everyone, the media, regular people, whoever for our blood. Now you actually the media calling for leniency. Had nothing happened people would still be calling for blood.
While I agree with you on some points, the NCAA rested totally on the Freeh report. And they took all of 11 days (which included two Saturdays and two Sundays) to hand down the sanctions. If they wanted to use the Freeh report as something to refer to during their own investigation, then fine. What happens if Curley/Schultz/Spanier are not convicted? Then Freeh's theory is toast and the NCAA's sanctions, based off the Freeh report, are totally unwarranted.
I don't think it would take long at all because the Freeh report would be available to them. They wouldn't need to wait until the Curley/Shultz/Spanier trials were over.
I guess another thing is, why would PSU want to take that chance? It seems much more likely that somebody will be convicted.
Sure, that could happen. They could also be found not guilty. If I was the NCAA (and I know I'm not) I'd be leery about handing down the harshest sanctions in the history of college athletics only to have the premise behind (the Freeh report) them be blown apart of Curley/Schultz/Spanier get off. Now, if I did my own investigation and found some things in addition to what Freeh found/concluded, then fine. You don't have stand on the Freeh report by itself. You'd have your own investigation to cite.
I really don't think they would worry about that. The Freeh report is all they need. PSU paid for it and they "accepted" it (on record) so there is very little risk with the NCAA basing their sanctions off of it.
Oh, come on....Erickson definitely says something with conviction: sorry.
The state has sh_t on TC,GS and Spandex..............they walk IMO. That's why they are dragging their feet. Kane is in a real pickle Corbutt is gonna say hey this was a slam dunk case and she blew it! It's a political football at this point and they all walk. Then they will counter sue PSU and the aholes on the BOT watch
seriously is there a man on the planet that has less stones than Rodney
Paragraph 4 of the Ray Declaration is interesting. It basically says Emmert was given the authority by the NCAA to negotiate "punitive and corrective" measures with PSU. I'd love to see Emmert, Erickson, and the few trustees in those negotiations get deposed on what happened. It will e interesting to see who proposed the sanctions.
I know people are furious at Erickson, he's a terrible excuse for a leader, but given his choices he made the better call. People tend to forget that PSU had a very experienced NCAA attorney on their side already named Gene Marsh. You can read his quotes where he said he really believed that there might not be football in happy valley in the fall of 2012.
people should reread this
Inside the secret negotiations that brought Penn State football to the brink of extinction
I am not in the move on crowd. I want the truth. But the truth is very powerful people threw our university under the bus and very little will change that. The Paterno suit will go nowhere.
The only things that have a chance to reveal the truth is Kanes investigation, Feds investigation, paterno or admins suing Penn State.
BOT and Erickson are at fault here not NCAA. PSU needs to be sued. A the end of the day PSU signed a legal document waiving their own rights to due process. Actually did that a couple of times... They also waived priviledge with Freeh to allow him to grandstand. And let's remember they allowed us to become Ped State by their cowardly actions (or not cowardly their own coverup)
The BOT is a POS and has thrown our university under the bus until someone sues them nothing is going to change.
Yes spanier and gang if not convicted will sue but sanctions will be long over by them.
So I'm may be moving over to the move on crowd because nothing is going to change. Too much money and too much power held by a few. Sad.
According to a representative of the Penn State Sports Legal Society attending last week’s Sports Lawyers Association annual conference, Gene Marsh, the attorney hired by Penn State President Rodney Erickson to represent the university’s interests, said, “When I hear people upset about the NCAA process, but not upset about what happened to those kids, I wonder what they’re all about.”
Yeah he really sounds like he was looking out for our best interest. He was less than worthless. Should have hired Dave Swank.
Why does Gene Marsh believe being upset about the NCAA process & upset about what happened to those kids are mutually exclusive?
Because he was hired by those who created the narrative.
That's the argument that really chaps my ass!
Dominate The State
yeah and allegedly Gene Marsh was hired at the last possible second, great planning by the BoS, and the wonder twins Rodless and The basement dwellr Joyner
This is exactly what I thought. Ray statement says Emmert did everything & Exec Committee did nothing but sign off. Emmert in an interview with OTL yesterday on ESPN says he didn't really do anything. That's what nobody understands, he said. The Exec Committee did everything. Ray declaration today essentially puts Emmert in charge of the sanctions, which contradicts Emmert's interview just yesterday. We need Depositions. Please get this through POs. However, the NCAA makes a lot of string points that PSU needs to be a party to this.
no doubt. The question is whether Erickson and PSU knew that last July. Marsh has an impressive resume and track record... he's pretty respected in his field. When you hire someone like Gene Marsh you do so because you want the best. When they give you advice you listen. Erickson didn't know squat about the NCAA process or the legally of what was taking place. They is why you hire an expert like Marsh and listen to them...
If you want to blame someone for the decision, the lion's share should be on Marsh.
"Beer is proof God loves us and wants us to be happy."
Agreed. I remember the first few times I heard him speak, I remember thinking we were screwed. Nittany Lions represented by a cowardly lion. I never thought I'd miss Spanier, but a year of Rod has changed that. I hope they get the search right.
...not sure who you are, but I know who WE ARE...
You guys are getting too excited about the threat of a death penalty in this doc. At this stage, the defendant has to accept the facts alleged as true. One of the allegations is that PSU was potentially open to the death penalty, so the NCAA has to "play along" for now.
I see your point, but the Freeh report still does not point to any violation that the NCAA can act on. So if we had refused to sign that decree....wouldnt the court battle be strictly over NCAA jurisdiction...which from Day one has been questioned. The way i see it, the public/media narrative wouldnt have changed...by firing Paterno/removing all signs of his existence and sending the other three off to pasture..Penn State was still satisfying the media/public opinion. (whether right or wrong) To me, the sanctions are a completely different topic.
Sometimes you have to make tough decisions that may make you look bad in the short term but have the confidence that in the long run they would be whats best for the institution. So if we didnt have sanctions, the University could have turned around and self imposed some things....like giving bowl money to a child abuse charity..on top of doing everything they are doing now (Mitchell, 112 Freeh recommendation implementations..whatever they are). Unfortunatly I think our BOT panicked and acted in haste, maybe even with motive, and didnt take the time to sit down and think about it.
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