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Maybe so, but if this truly is lies on top of lies it will all come out.
If the sanctions are in fact self imposed, can't we self reduce?
1) Schools certainly self-impose penalties.... When they are under investigation from the NCAA for breaking NCAA rules. In an issue like this, where there was debate as to whether or not sanctions were even legal or justified, the Prez/BOT couldn't just come out and self impose harsh sanctions on the schools unless the enjoy being sued.
2) Yes,, "technically" we are under NCAA sanctions. Thanks for that. When nearly every previous NCAA head enforcement officer publicly says that the NCAA doesn't have jurisdiction - and then Emmert grants himself "special powers" to instantly act, I will consider it an action made by Emmert the individual before saying it involved the entire NCAA.
3) Like I said in my edit, "He wanted me to do these illegal things to him" is not a defense for, you know, breaking the law. Penn State is not suing the NCAA. The state of PA is. So a statement by Emmert saying such would literally accomplish nothing but tell everyone that he isn't the "crusader against rogue athletics and child abuse" that we thought he was. Flipping on Erickson would literally accomplish nothing with regards to the lawsuit filed by the state.
I don't know if Najjar knew the inner-workings either. All I'm saying is, that his story is just as plausible, if not moreso, as the 15 others told by people involved who have skins on the wall. Nothing has added up as of yet in any of their stories. But this one would be pretty easy to explain.
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Makes sense to me. Sanctions end yesterday.
Well said. Not being able to distance themselves fast enough on so many occasions raises serious red flags. A bunch of well educated, professionals jump to the finish line every time with no line of inquiry to get there? Shoot first, ask questions later. Not behavior you would expect to see from a school of this caliber. Smells rotten IMO.
Maybe PSU is paying the legal fees for the NCAA's defense.
I think what that guy meant was that in essence - due to the consent decree - the sanctions are self-imposed.
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At this point I feel like we could just argue in circles on the first 2 points, but we'll agree to disagree on them. On no 3 my point was that the NCAA could eliminate the sanctions by saying PSU asked for them. If they eliminated the sanctions the lawsuits would go away. Unless the state goes after damages then, which they are not now.
Hell, this whole affair has been ridiculous so far.......so if it comes out HotRod did this on his own and told the NCAA to do it well then I wouldn't be shocked. I think it's much more plausible that Emmert wanted to make a big splash, got the Freeh report, and jammed sanctions down the throat of an inept leader.
I'm not one for conspiracy theories to be honest.........Emmert taking advantage and HotRod being weak and scared makes much more sense to me.
This falls right in line with Erickson's statement about de-emphasizing football.
"DOMINATE the state" - James Franklin 1/11/14
Well... ain't that some sh!t?
This is my personal opinion: we will never know the true story. There are a few of data points/actions that paint a picture for me though:
1. Erickson's statement of de-emphasizing football. This statement was made pre-Freeh and early in Erickson's term. Why say it? I believe the new controlling members of the BOT pushed this agenda as well (Peetz and Frazier specifically). When you look at their actions (the "Move On" campaign), they definitely did not want to fight the issue and took what the NCAA gave them laying down.
2. I believe the Freeh Report was heavily influenced by the BOT. I think the BOT gave the directive to keep the failure of PSU to 4 people. I don't know the reason for this, but it's safe to say they didn't want to involved anybody else. I also believe Freeh was talking with the NCAA while his "investigation" was taking place (much like the Miami case). Maybe this is the framework of Erickson and the BOT accepting the consent decree without fighting.
3. Right after the sanctions were handed down, Erickson/Marsh said there was the threat of the death penalty on the table. Ray/Emmert said this was not the case. Obviously, one side was lying. We always assumed it was Ray/Emmert. What if it was Erickson and Marsh? This would explain the pre-determined acceptance of the sanctions. Hopefully more is known about this point after the PA lawsuit gains standing.
4. Also right after the sanctions hit, there was talk of the sanctions being reduced in a couple years if PSU acted on "good behavior" and "cleaned up their culture". That makes me think Erickson had a lot more involvement with Emmert than the simple "Take it or death penalty" scenario.
Emmert has always said that the "death penalty" was on the table.
And you believe what Emmert says after reading the USA Today story???? What year did you graduate?
What do you mean? I am just saying that in every interview since the sanctions came down that Emmert has stated that the death penalty was always on the table. His words, not mine. I graduated in December of 1994. Then drove to Cali for the Rose bowl.
To me, it doesn't really make sense. Why would someone have to agree to self-imposed sanctions?
Then have emmert stand in front of camera's proclaiming that the football culture needs to change? Then have him go on several interviews and talk about Penn State agreeing to the consent decree that the NCAA laid out and publicly say that he had the power to go ahead without the NCAA voting, etc?
Weird to me...but what do I know. This whole thing is so confusing that I really don't know who to believe.
Yes. I don't think Erickson is that clever. A coward? You bet.
This post was edited by JettaPSU2001 15 months ago
Erickson's not the one who was calling the shots. You know that.
IMO, PSU got bad advice from their expensive PR firm. It seemed that above all else, they wanted to get through it and put it behind them ASAP. When the NCAA started snooping around, they knew that they were likely looking at having an external group digging through everything for as many as 2 years. I think when this guy is saying is that PSU actively sought out a way to prevent that from happening. At that point, Emmert smelled blood in the water and seized the opportunity to look strong and get a "win" after being embarrassed in a number of recent investigations.
PSU didn't "self impose" like some are reading it.
"The Penn State deal is a travesty," he wrote. "The NCAA did not impose anything. Penn State agreed to and self-imposed the penalties, waved all due process and waived any right to appeal. The NCAA had/has NO authority to impose any penalties in that situation and PSU's president sold the school down the river!"
I think some are reading it.
I think the quote simply references how easily this ninny got rolled - that he all but self imposed the penalties. Whether that's a fair characterization may be another queston..
"PSU's president [POS Erickson] sold the school down the river"
I'm going to file this in my 'No Shit, Captain Obvious' file.
I have to say though. That my statement is speculation. If you take his statement literally, he is saying that it was Erickson's idea..
IF THAT IS TRUE. Outside the fact that Erickson sold us down the river, and Penn State self imposed the penalties then the players should not have been allowed to transfer. Someone correct me if I am wrong but how I understand the rule, if a team self imposes its own sanctions then the rule releasing the players from scholarship would have been null and void.
This story just keep taking more turns, I personally believe Erickson was threaten with the death penalty so He self imposed the penalties than EmmRAT got up on stage in front of the cameras and pounded his chest about the special power the NCAA has. This was a scare tactic to rest of the membership.
EmmRat is a joke.
Just posted this in twitter:
Ben Jones @Ben_Jones88 2m
Penn State responds to former NCAA investigator maintaining it was sign the consent decree or risk death penalty: http://bit.ly/Z2B1cc
Had a nice Bill O'reilly style melt down after reading this.... So yea... F me right?
PENN STATE FOREVER
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