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Given that you made the 5th post in a thread you say didn't comment in, I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you can't see that, just like some will never like him no matter what, some will never criticize him no matter what, and actually laud his antics and criticize receivers for failing to catch a terribly thrown pass of his (like the OSU game). Many people are in-between, but they exist regardless of your awareness of them. Fanboys start threads like the Heisman one, which, since I guess you're the guy from Memento, was actually here and started with what I can only presume was a straight face.
What are you talking about? If you can show me this comment you are referring to, I will eat my words. I for one cannot find it though. I've yet to meet a person in this world who hasn't criticized him. I also did not criticize his receivers. You really need to stop making generalizations and acting like I said them...No kidding there are many people in between, but there are also many who refuse to give him any credit whatsoever...Again, not only did I not start the thread, but I didn't even comment in it. Nice job making yourself look ridiculous though.
3 turnovers inside the 10...2 inside their 10 and 1 inside our own 10. Either way, tough one to win when they pull off a clear TD with one of those turnovers.
"One man didn't build this program and one man sure as hell cannot tear it down."
This thread genius. This one. This is like talking to a 6-year old. Good evening.
Oh, so now you gave up on the I started the McGloin for Heisman thread when you realized you were wrong right? Makes sense...I said I didn't comment in the Heisman thread, genius, not this one. Man, you are really sad. Attacking me when you're all over the place. If you could read, you would see I clearly said "that thread", referring to the Heisman thread which you somehow decided I started.
This post was edited by JayStizz133 17 months ago
Listen MM did you know what this year...he got mad at a WR for dropping a ball. He showed emotion when scoring almost like DC did or M Rob did. He's everything that's wrong with our society as at 20+ years of age he wasn't as perfect as some of the angels that grace PSU and this board. That means his play has been mediocre when those that are pouring the hatorade now assume everyone has him in Canton since he has exceeded just about everyones expectations. Kill MM, he was young and dumb and still may be. It should be a huge concern to you and impact your life. This thread is genius. Everyone knows he is much better this year, but you aren't suppose to say that without pissing on his feet because he was dumb and young. Plain and simple he is playing better. Completing more passes. Making less mistakes. I don't care if people don't like him, but to sit here and act as if there are perfect QB's out there that don't force balls or make mistakes is ludicrous.
I tell you what living 1200 miles away from PSU is hard to do, everyone down here just constantly talks about how f-ed up our QB is on and off the field. LOL, nobody notices this crap outside the little PSU bubble and people need to realize 100 plus guys are up there and they have never ever been all saints. I love LA for his time at PSU but he was every bit the pompous arse MM was and he grew up off the field. Then again, he was an AA so it's ok to be that way...not hypocritical though. It's a part of life and I get the college kids still hung up on him, but no grown man should be that hung up on a college kid IMO.
This post was edited by LaJollaLion 17 months ago
Wow! Nailed it and with plenty of passion and emotion!! I couldn't have stated it better. PSU has had their share of LAs and MMs. I don't live in DC so I can't listen to LAs radio talk show, but I respect the bejesus out of him. Guy clashed with JoePa ala Matt Millen while on campus, but he matured ala Matt Millen post-Paterno.
+1 my friend!
October 12, 2013. PSU 43 - UM 40 (4 OT). Unfortunately this fan wasn't around long enough to see it!
There are no such things as perfect QBs, so I shouldn't make threads pointing out things that could be improved? I shouldn't make threads talking about thing he hasn't done well the last few weeks? I'd make the same criticisms for any QB at the helm. I kept the off the field stuff out of the thread, and didn't intend for it to get in here.
It is impossible to have a McGloin discussion on this board without posters getting irrational and getting in arguments. I don't see why we can't talk about how he could improve. Those things I brought up weren't physical limitations, they were mental mistakes that could be taken away with a few fixes that are definitely within McGloins control. Yes, mistakes happen, but it's frustrating to watch a good QB make similar mistakes for consecutive weeks.
Why should we have to go to class if we came here to play FOOTBALL, we ain't come to play SCHOOL, classes are POINTLESS
Not sure why this was directed at me...I agree with everything you said. I just can't understand the venom some people on here spit at him.
I was in agreement with you and being sarcastic for the most part. It's way too personal for a few and I get the kids in college still being hung up on him. Just not anyone who is beyond 30 years of age and still being concerned that all PSU kids aren't saints.
Alright, well the first post wasn't venom. They were all legitimate points, though I didn't agree with them all. Now some of what NN said, I can feel ya there I guess. But calling him out over deficiencies isn't venom.
I agree, and I don't have a problem with pointing out his deficiencies. The constant attacks are just old at this point. There's two games left in the seniors careers. Let's just enjoy them and put our bickering aside.
Ohio State put up 63 on them. Half their opponents scored more against them than we did. 23 (30 if you count the turnover) certainly is respectable, but not exactly great given how their defense has played for a lot of this season. MM has been much better this year. He has turned into a pretty effective game manager and BOB has done a good job of accentuating what he does best and staying away from areas where he struggles. He deserves a lot of credit for what he has accomplished this year. I'll be interested to see what career path he takes after this season.
I'm really enjoying this thread (sarcasm) but let me ask a question. If you knew nothing about McGloin's history and he played anywhere besides Penn State (with all the issues surrounding the program), would you be impressed with his performance? Would you consider his season to date good or great? He will end up breaking school records and has an outstanding TD/INT ratio, but is only ranked 54th in the country in passer efficiency. Something just doesn't sit well with that for me.
“We need to keep this (expletive) together,” Mauti and Zordich to Hill
McGloin has to be seen in game action to be taken for the type of QB he is. His stats are impressive in the TD/INT and his completion percentage isn't bad. but you have to see how he plays the game, the throws he misses, bad reads, throws into coverage that he makes to judge how good he is in games. He is just an average college QB which is a realistic expectation for a guy who arrived on campus as a walk on and worked his way to be a starter. His physical limitations aren't as obvious in the stat sheet as they are in person either.
If you knew nothing about his history it will still be a very good season for most QB's. Since we know his history, it makes it that much more impressive IMO. He's gotten better in just about every aspect of the mental part of the game. We all knew his arm was never going to be his savior, but as compared to the last 2 years...he's a different QB. He tosses the ball away much more. He buys time and finds people to move the chains. While he still will force a few balls has gotten better in that aspect as well. Listening to some of the reporters talk about him (elsewhere), they mention how hard he has been working with the staff to improve. I get that people may not like him, but non a single thing he does wrong as a QB isn't repeated at the highest of levels by a QB. He just doesn't have anything close to the physical tools many were blessed with.
19TD's 4 picks through 10 games. (could end up around 22-23 TD's with 4-6 INT's)
5 rushing TD's.
Completing 60% of his passes.
Will throw for over 3000 yards.
Had anyone put that out before the season 100% of the people would have said...sign me up. It's actually almost a compliment to MM I guess that his harshest critics now even expect more of him.
Point I was trying to make earlier.
I still don't see why I can't be frustrated for all the things I posted in the OP. Yes, some of these mistakes happen at every level, but they're still mistakes that are correctable.
He has actually done a much better job this year with almost all of them. There isn't a QB that has ever lived that never made those same mistakes. So in fact, maybe they aren't correctable unless you get an OL that NEVER allows pressure. Mistakes are a part of football and you can't name a QB that is still breathing on this planet that doesn't do what you listed. Some limit it better than others, but they still occur. Name a QB that doesn't force a ball or miss reads? The simple fact is those who were his biggest critics still start looking for his faults is almost funny at this point. You win, MM isn't perfect. Nobody has ever thought that. He has played better, but in saying that you're a fanboy. Yet those same people that had such a great eye for Bolden and PJ being 10 times the QB MM was can't even admit that they completely missed the mark there. They weren't even close, not even remotely close. They just didn't like the kid himself. It's just easier to say MM still screws up...got it. MM's an arse off the field so we should keep hammering until the end. The whole team was crapped on this year, but we should keep on hammering the evil red head who as ruined football in HV....and I'm not talking about McQueary. What has he really done on or off the field this season to bring shame to the school? He got upset over a missed ball or bad play, yeah, we never see QB's or coaches react to that stuff.
Objective outlook, he's honestly better than most gave him credit for. He's not playing beyond the next 2 weeks. We'll find someone new to hate at PSU as that is just what we do.
This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by LaJollaLion 17 months ago
Eh, QB rankings today in CFB are pretty much useless to me. Half of these teams are running video game offenses. The bottom line is that a very strong case could be made for MM to win if there was a national Most Improved Player Award. He's had a very good season, and it's just disappointing that people still have to take shots at him.
"A lion does not concern himself with the opinions of the sheep"- Glenn Carson
No doubt he's improved but BOB's offense is supposed to be and likely will be a video game offense going forward.
Once again, I haven't mentioned or tried to allude to his off the field antics. An OL stops a QB from making a hot read? News to me. But I guess because Tom Brady did it a few times this year too, so I shouldn't criticize his mistakes. To be fair to me, I haven't just started looking, these were things I noticed in the Purdue game (check the in game thread if you don't believe me), the OSU game (was at the game so it won't be in the in game thread), and the Nebraska game (also said some things about McGloin in there). I held my tongue for a few weeks waiting for it to get better, and it hasn't. They're still issues that are correctable, and they're things that I personally expect to get better. I also never called anybody a fanboy, but I do think it's a little ridiculous people are not allowed to criticize a QB because the numbers he has put up are better than we've seen in a while and he works hard.
I stand by what I said about Bolden since I've been on the board, that he was the better quarterback for the first year and a few weeks of the second season. If he had received good coaching, he could have been VERY good. He didn't, which happens, and he washed out. I was never outspoken about Jones.
All things on this board could be easily summed up in a few words. The entire "second look" thing Jeff does could be summed up in four words and a few periods: "got screwed... We lost." Boom. Done. But it's a football message board, where people supposedly enjoy talking football. I brought up some legitimate points about our starting QB, and for whatever you've said it doesn't take away the fact that they are very correctable mistakes, and am getting torn up for it. If people are tired of talking McGloin, quit responding. In fact, don't open any thread titled "MCGLOIN." If you do in fact open it, make posts talking about football instead of veiled criticisms of other posters.
I've left his off the field behavior out of this, I'd expect those who respond to do the same. That being said, any chance of talking football is now over because anybody who did open the thread with that intention saw it get derailed by people who made comments about my posting history.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Texas Lion 17 months ago
Making legitimate criticisms about a CFB player doesn't equate to taking shots at somebody.
Why people are so sensitive about McGloin makes no sense to me. Nobody else on the team gets this kind of defense when criticized, it's ridiculous.
I've followed this program longer than you've been on this earth. In that time no one has ever been criticized on a personal level like Matt McGloin. The past three years have gone well beyond criticism of him, it's been quite personal from alot of people. That's ridiculous to me. Criticize his on field play, fair enough. But it almost always goes beyond that. That is why there are a select few of us that dare to defend the kid. Don't know if you fit that description, but it seems pretty clear that you don't care for him on personal level.
But, Kenyon Barner is a RB, so ...
This post was edited by Hamilton Lion 17 months ago
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