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I know that he has worked hard. I know he has put in a ton of hours and has committed to improving himself as a QB, and I can respect that. However,
1) It still blows my mind that a 5th year senior hangs their head the way he does when things are not going well. I see it after INTs, negative plays, and especially after dropped passes. For somebody who has been dubbed the leader of the offense, it blows my mind that he can show such negative body language on the field. I understand he's frustrated, because we're all frustrated, but as the (RS) SR QB that kind of immature reaction is disappointing. I don't like McGloin as a person at all, and I've said as much on here plenty of times, but I wouldn't mind him as a QB if he would cut this crap out.
2) CALL A HOT READ. We've gotten destroyed by blitzes the past three games, including Purdue. He and the team didn't play well at all against Purdue IMO, and were up big simply because of a gulf in talent and that staff's ineptitude. He is in his first year of the system, and I understand BOB's playbook is very complex, but in his third season seeing legitimate playing time I 'd expect him to know what a blitz looks like. Coaches could help him out a little more with the playcalling, but as the QB he has to help the OL a little bit more pre-snap.
3) He seems to have this weird knack for only throwing INTs when the game is getting into crunch time, and at the worst possible time for our team. Its not intentional, but it is strange how he seems to only throw INTs on important drives.
4) Is it just me, or does McGloin play his worst in big games? I knew this was the case the past two years where he tore up the bad defenses, but this season its still there. He didn't play that well against OSU, and his second half against Nebraska was very disappointing. Seeing as those were our two biggest games this season outside of maybe Wisconsin, it reinforces to me that McGloin just isn't a big game QB. Some guys have "it", he doesn't. Which is weird, because the one thing he seems to have is "it" in all the other games, just not in the big games.
Just some frustrated thoughts.
Why should we have to go to class if we came here to play FOOTBALL, we ain't come to play SCHOOL, classes are POINTLESS
Can understand your thoughts, and generally agree.
One thing I noticed a few games ago (against OSU?) is that he does the fake leg pump, but it is no longer effective. Teams have caught on to that, and it's obviously a fake when a player is running between McGloin and the center. So they refuse to show their hand on that fake.
To me, I think that's why McGloin has not done as well reading defenses. They aren't showing their blitzes until he actually snaps the ball. JMO, but he needs to mix up the snap counts. It's one reason we really are effective at the NASCAR offense when it gets going.
Will say that I disagree with #1. A lot of QB's - including ones that I'd certainly label as mature - hang their heads after poor plays like INT's. I have no gripe with McGloin about that sort of ting.
Two names: Braxton Miller and Taylor Martinez. Both QBs had super success, especially in the 2nd half. Both were better teams than PSU. Could we have won both games? Absolutely. But we didn't. Yes, the QB is the most important position in BOB's offensive package. So if the QB doesn't do well, the Offense will struggle.
But the D has to show up for the 2nd half too.
One positive out of the Nebraska was the play of the Special Teams. Butterworth and Ficken had their best game of the year!
October 12, 2013. PSU 43 - UM 40 (4 OT). Unfortunately this fan wasn't around long enough to see it!
Agreed about the snap count and leg fake. Whatever is going on, something needs to change or get fixed.
I guess I'm just a sap, but a little more positivity would be welcomed for me. Some of the stuff seems a bit dramatic and unnecessary. It would certainly make him a lot easier to root for from my end.
You've complained about the kid for three years now on this board. He's a former walk-on with no scholarship offers and limited talent, yet he found a way to beat out three 4 star recruits. The kid has given his heart and soul to the program for five years. Enough is enough already. We get it, you don't like him. You've spent the past three years destroying him when he's made mistakes and downplaying his accomplishments when he's done well. What is the point of this thread? Just another opportunity to bash him and make yourself feel better?
Guess what, when you have limited talent and ability, you are going to make mistakes. It's not shocking. He's come a long way. Some don't like his demeanor and that's fine. That's who he is though. What people like you need to realize is that mindset and attitude is what has allowed him to get to where he is and have the success he's had. It is who he is and I have no problem with it. I don't agree with all his actions, but I understand where he is coming from. The kid has two games left in his career. It's about time you appreciate the blood, sweat, and tears he's put into this program for five years.
O'Brien can only do so much in the short amount of time he has been here.
Just look at the improvements McGloin HAS made.
Now, just imagine what its going to be like when our QB's get 2-4 years of coaching from OB.
Agree. I saw Brees clap his hands in disgust after an easy drop yesterday by Henderson. I've seen Manning chew the f--k out of WR's for running the wrong routes. Favre was a walking ego because of the arm attached to his shoulder. He forced more balls than any QB ever. Brady and BOB on the sideline screaming at each other. QB's react as humans do, but if you don't like the kid already, it's just magnified IMO. That has been the case with some and MM all along.
The funny thing is he brought back from behind at UVa only to have the Kicker miss. He then bounces back from a poor pick to lead the team down to take the lead on a TD pass to Lehman to have it yanked away on Saturday. The safey is on him, but it doesn't occur if the replay booth is playing by the rules as PSU would have been kicking off instead of getting a 70 yard punt 3 plays later. Here is a kid before the year people were saying couldn't do a damn thing right and has had a pretty damn solid year. He has stuck by the school, has played well, and you can see he really just wants to win games. If he's a jerk off the field, so be it, but I never thought he would play at the level where he is at now. He's far from perfect, but he has not been the downfall of this squad as many predicted.
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"One man didn't build this program and one man sure as hell cannot tear it down."
Yes, because he tries hard and has little natural talent Texas' points aren't true.
Call me crazy, but he could be BOB's QB coach one day.
Oh please, all he's done is complain about the kid for three years. It's about time you guys step off your high horses and acknowledge he's actually a pretty good quarterback.
He's solid and has improved dramatically this year.
But that doesn't mean Tex is wrong. Except for the hanging head thing, there's a difference between Mac and Cutler lol
Everyone knows that McGloin was a walk on for a reason way back then right? Basically he isn't even supposed to be here or in this position. The fact that he has is actually pretty amazing. After All it was supposed to go Devlin, Newsome, and then Jones/Bolden. McGloin and McGregor should be sideline buddies.
I think we should just be thankful that Billy O is a pretty good coach AND that old Ging has really worked hard.
Does he have his downfalls, of course, but I will take it.
I don't think Texas is totally wrong, but the myth that good QB's don't have bad days or get pissed is just plain silly. We are all PSU fans so he is under our microscope, but this QB that makes the right read 100% of the time, never loses a game, throws a pick, and is the perfect choir boy is beyond foolish. It comes off like a child finding out that there is no Santa Claus. It's a myth. You can watch any pro game and see incredible QB's get confused by a D and make bad throws. Guess what, it's usually against the better defenses and teams. You can see QB's throw tantrums from time to time and including the best of the best at QB. He's not wrong, but his thinking this is isolated to MM is a bit naive IMO. Nobody in their right mind was thinking he would be playing at this level IMO...and kudos to him and staff for working to get there. Bottom line is if a QB wins, he tends to get a free pass from his fans. College or PRO...that is the simple truth. MM was never some peoples first choice whether it was his arm or him being a RICHARD at a fast food line....that is where some still have a hang up with him IMO. He stuck with PSU during the worst time in the schools history and has given a few of us something to smile about for a few weeks. That is how I'll remember this year for him and I hope he grows up as the years pass by as is the case for most of us.
Who is perpetuating that myth? I'd like to smack em upside their head lol.
I wouldn't disagree with that.
He has come a long way. Night and day from the past few years, just wish he would be a little more consistent with his level of play.
Hackenberg under OB? Even Bench under OB?
I'll admit I personally find him much, much harder to root for because of his off the field antics, but my post was more about his play this season than him as a person.
The biggest games are against the best defenses, but what I'm frustrated with is that McGloin just doesn't seem as sharp. I know good defenses make it harder to do your job, and I know the DCs do a better job of confusing him, but it is frustrating that he can be so inconsistent. Regardless of whether or not you're playing OSU or Nebraska, a throw into double coverage in the endzone is a bad idea and a bad decision. Holding onto the ball for four to five seconds on numerous plays is a bad idea. I'm not trying to take away from what has been a great season for him (numbers speak for themselves), but it is frustrating that a trend has developed for PSU in games like these, where the QB makes some poor decisions (tries to force things, make the hero play in the pocket, hold onto the ball too long) and we end up paying for it.
And you're right, if we won yesterday I wouldn't have posted this topic. But we didn't, and I'm pissed. I did wait two days to post it so I could try and cool down, but I'm still pretty fired up and angry.
I haven't been on this board for three years, somewhere just under two. I think its great that McGloin has gotten the opportunity to play D1A football, and think its even better for him that he has been able to see significant PT and earn the starting role in his time here because of his hard work. He has something that he can hang his hat on forever, that he was a relatively successful starting QB at a major college football program. That's awesome.
However just because he isn't as physically gifted, or didn't earn a scholarship out of high school, doesn't mean I won't be critical of a QB's play. I made this thread to start a discussion about why these things are happening, and what could be done to fix it.
On a side note, if you think I'm tough on McGloin, you should see my rants about Landry Jones.
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He didn't force the ball over and over again. He moved the team enough to put up 30+ on the road. Don't forget ZZ's fumble inside the 3 in addition to the bad call. I think the defense not handling the toss was a bigger reason for this loss than the QB play overall. PSU gave up over 250 on the ground and they were still in postion to win it. 3 turnovers cost PSU that game in addition horrible call. One was MM's fault, one was a phanton BS call on Lehman's TD, and one was the RB not protecting the ball. All 3 hurt the team pretty bad, but if you give up 250+ on the ground, it's hard to overcome most of that. His feet and play this season have extended tons of drives and he is moving up in the pocket in order to make plays. I'm pissed about this loss, but I'm not pinning this one on the QB or most of it...not even close. Again, you show me this QB of yours that doesn't do exactly what you stated from time to time and I'll quiet down...but I know that QB isn't currently playing on this planet.
Do you not remember Anthony Morelli?? Hell, even Clark struggled against good teams. Most quarterbacks are not going to play great against good defenses. That's not just a McGloin thing or a Penn State thing, it happens everywhere. I'm not sure what you're expecting.
I could care less about your rants on Landry Jones and I don't have a problem with you being critical of McGloin's play. The point is because you don't like him personally (which is fine) you tend to go way overboard with your assessments and criticisms of him. If you liked McGloin as a person, your assessment of him as a QB would be different.
I think McGloin's been pretty good overall. Good against poor defenses, and gets rattled against good ones that apply any type of pressure. I think any QB with experience can complete passes with 4-5 seconds of pocket time. I don't think he is very good at stepping up in the pocket, and still tries to force things. He has an above average receiving corp with a nice set of tight ends. The play calling hasn't been great in the second half either. No screens or slants ever. So, I guess we got about what we should have with a littlke more than my own expectations.
As I said before, the defense is where the criticism lies in my mind. Not enough out of the D-line in the second halves of games with the LB's asked to do too much and making them look tired at times. Playing a 4-3 we should have more run stopping at the line than we have had. Overall, I am excited about what the d-line will bring in the next year or 2 with Zettle, Barnes, CJ, etc...and in the secondary, Amos may be a 1st round pick in my opinion as well.
I never said I was blaming it all on him, I was pointing out things that I have noticed about McGloin this season. I also said multiple times in the in-game thread that the DTs needed to sack up and eat up some more blocks. Our DL was being neutralized pretty effectively in the second half, which is why we game up so many points IMO.
Didn't follow PSU football until I enrolled here, which was twenty-seven months ago.
From the sounds of things, it doesn't sound like I want to though. I went out of my way to watch some of Zach Mills to see how bad the dark years were and to see if he really was that good of a QB. Went out of my way to watch MRob. I remember watching Clark in the LSU bowl game, and from a few games I saw my senior year of HS. I didn't watch much of 2008 because I was caught up in OU's championship run, but I did see the USC game.
I'm expecting a QB to minimize these mistakes that shouldn't be happening at this point in the season. The hot read thing has been consistent for a few weeks, and its frustrating to watch. I don't like watching sloppy football, and IMO that's what we have played at times the past few weeks. I'm not blaming it all on McGloin, not even most of it. I am pointing out things that I have found frustrating the past few weeks.
Probably, but I don't so my assessments are what they are. I really thought Bolden was a nice guy, but he was a pretty terrible QB as well outside of his first few games his freshman year where he showed flashes.
FWIW, Landry Jones was actually a great guy from when I got to talk to him, a strong christian, and a charitable person. I still am extremely critical of his play. That's the point I was trying to make. So while I may have a different take on McGloin and might not see the things I am now if I had a favorable disposition towards him, it doesn't take away the fact that those things are still there when I watch him.
He has improved a lot this season, and has done a pretty good job thus far of absorbing the playbook and putting the ball where it needs to be most of the time. I still think he can improve.
In my demented way of looking at things, it should be a compliment that I am holding McGloin to this high of a standard. I wouldn't be disappointed in his play if I didn't think he could play better, which IMO he has shown he could do this season.
You said nothing wrong or false in your post. You cant even compliment him without taking a bunch of crap from those who apparently only watch him play against Northwestern.
The good thing is we have to deal with him for only two more games; the bad part is we'll be dealing with his army of fanboys for much of the foreseeable future.
Can agree with all of this.
IMO the DL getting worn down is more on Roof and O'Brien than it is the players. The big fellas need a rest, or a more active rotation in the second half. In the first half they dominate the way we're used to as PSU fans, but once the play count starts racking up for the opposition, the big guys wear down, just like with any defense. We have to do a better job of keeping those guys fresh.
Whether that means slowing down the offense (try getting a first down in the first 10:00 of the 3rd quarter maybe?), or more guys getting PT in games, I don't know. But its an issue we still haven't been able to fix thus far into the season, and its cost us two games (OSU and NU).
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