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The article was posted either in this thread or another on the same. The BT contract nets us aapprox $8m more a year (25 versus 17, I believe it was) in TV money alone. We usually get better bowls (better team recognition), and CIC membership is plush for research dollars (though there is some debatable room here). The B1G has better names. Its the most lucrative conference out there.
I can find you the article posted on here or on a google search when I get home. Everyone is playing catch up to us monetarily though, everyone here will tell you that.
You really are a naive person.
One of my New Year's resolutions is to stop trying to educated people who can't see the light of day. I will start early. It's certainly a waste of time. It's like me trying to teach English to a Cuban who has been in the United States for 25 years and doesn't want to learn English.
We will be in the discussion all year. That is a good one. Guy is a very good coach. Why and how do I know this? Because I saw it when he was at Princeton. Will he attract quality athletes to play at PSU? Sure. But, please, don't be naive. PSU isn't and won't be on equal footing with Minnesota, Michigan, Wisky and MSU at the beginning just because they are starting the league together. Why? Because history says so.
If PSU was starting a new basketball conference and the other members were Kentucky, Duke, North Carolina, Kansas and UCLA, do you think PSU is on equal footing?
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Are my questions too difficult or did I ask too many of them for you?
I'll keep it simple for you.
What does Hockey East do for PSU that the B10 wouldn't?
I apologize for actually asking you to back up statements you make with actual support or anything resembling a coherent argument..
I mean, all that talk about Cubans and New Year's resolutions are cute and all, but it doesn't actually do anything but make you look like you're avoiding supporting the claims you're making.
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How do you get a Cuban to speak English?...
You cant, you can only smoke them!
Get it? Cubans? Cigars? (lol sorry, thats my corny joke for the day)
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"Whoever’s trying to kill me isn’t getting the job done. But one day, I’m going to punch that f___r in the face."
+1 I liked it
What in history shows that it isn't true? I'm honestly interested. It's not like the B10 hockey conference would have happened without PSU's involvement, so I do think that there's a reasonable expectation that PSU will be treated as an equal member.
And at no point did I say that PSU was going to win the conference. I said I thought they would do well and be in the discussion. If I'm wrong, so be it, but I'm excited to see D1 hockey at PSU regardless.
If PSU was starting a basketball conference with the best teams in the ACC, SEC, and Pac 12, I'd wonder what PSU would have done to warrant an invite, but to indulge your ridiculous example, I'd say if the invitation was extended, it's fair to think that they wouldn't have invited PSU to this new superconference so PSU could go sit in the corner, shut up, and do what it's told by the big boys.
Connect the dots boys & girls. PSU could be persona non grata everywhere if a big bomb goes off. No one will give a rats' behind about TV viewers or traveling fans or hockey or wrestling IF indeed there is major fallout yet to come and there's a LOT of chatter out there in the last week and it's getting louder.
Here you go.
(Prepare for the Florida State-to-Big Ten rumors in three... two... one...) Already flush with cash, each member of the Big Ten will realize a significantly higher windfall than theyve ever received in the past. According to a report from the St.
I saw that, and I also saw a post that said the CIC really didn't give PSU that much money. I also saw you don't need to be a member of the B10 to be in CIC, cause it is not B10 exclusive. Do you think with adding PSU and Pitt, that those number could change? B10 makes bank off PSU, some of that money could transfer over to the ACC. Just a thought.
gotta disagree on the most lucrative conference out there. B10 lost the juice it once had
Chatter about what?
Dominate The State
I was wondering this too. Not that I want more bad news, but whatever.
The big deal is money per member, not gross cash. Those two aren't big draws in football, which is what really drives the cash in conferences. It isn't about fans per say but the advertisers. These midwest schools are huge, with huge boosters and huge bases. There's very little double dipping in states. If you look the CIC is the B1G plus U Chicago, one of the finest universities. Its membership helps greatly facilitate academic endeavours and lend credibility to receiving grants from various sources.
While the B1G has lost its juice, in I believe every category (bowls, tv, and research) it is #1 by almost every source. Delaney may be a dick, but he's a fantastic commisioner on that end.
We make the most profit in the B10, thats gotta change the B10 total numbers. With getting 24.6 million from the B10, and 17-20 from the ACC. (ACC schools are not all paid the same). If B10 lost its biggest money making school,(PSU) I gotta think that number will drop and the ACC numbers will rise.
On the CIC thing; GT, WF,and Duke are very good schools, partner up with them, do they have a club like the CIC? I don't have a clue, just wondering cause I hate the B10.
Jhouck you're drawing different money from different sources and trying to compare them. Its apples and oranges right now. Thats school money. This is conference money that PSU doesn't directly control (contracts and the like). Just doesn't work the way you're thinking. Its a little quirkier than that (which trust me is confusing at first, that isn't a dig at you).
As for the academics. Those schools belong to an organization (that I can't think of right off the top of my head) but the other B1G schools do too. The CIC is premier at this level (its no Ivy league though). While also making the most money, it is by far the best D1A academic conference. Though many of the PAC12 schools are utterly fantastic as well.
Also, back to point one. You're forgetting that PSU loses tons of rights to its money by leaving. They can't just leave.
Lion in CBus and I had a little debate in the Big or ACC? thread a few days ago. I think we agreed that the actual affect of the CIC on the bottom line of Penn State's research funding is minimal. (I actually think it is negligible.) It should not be a limiting factor.
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“We need to keep this (expletive) together,” Mauti and Zordich to Hill
I think I stated a few posts that there was absolutely room for debate there. And it had more of an impact on access to research opportunities, techniques, and facilities more than funding itself. The post you quoted was more about that kind of opportunity academically elsewhere, which it isn't at the same level. The CIC is certainly a valuable tool. That said, I don't totally disagree with your conclusion.
How would those numbers change for each conference if PSU were to switch?
I imagine each B1G team would net less while each ACC team would bet more than what they currently do now.
And more specifically, how would that ACC number look with PSU and ND both in the ACC?
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Actually, I think the advent of the Internet and video conferencing has made the CIC somewhat antiquated and obsolete. I went to the research.psu.edu website and found that the university has recently been awarded over $500 million in grants, several of which were were collaborative with other universities and laboratories. None has anything to do with the CIC. Investigators are no longer limited by geographic proximity.
Edit: if it was such a lucrative proposition, every conference would be doing it.
p.s. Posters on the board have mentioned that one of the concrete benefits of the CIC is the ability to take courses at other schools if it's not offered at Penn State. I'd rather take classes at some of the ACC schools than the Big 10 schools.
Can't argue with This ^^
October 12, 2013. PSU 43 - UM 40 (4 OT). Unfortunately this fan wasn't around long enough to see it!
Notre Dame won't join the ACC, its a place holder the exact same that the Big East was.
Now the Bowl money wouldn't change much for the next few years as PSU is done for now. But the big thing would be the contracts. TV contracts and the bowls that those conferences are linked to. The Rose Bowl is the big bowl out there. The B1G due to the previously listed attributes has schools that almost always get an extra BCS teams. Michigan, OSU, and Nebraska will always look better than FSU, Clemson, and Miami and down the line.
The TV money is harder to predict. B1G has its own deal and the BTN is a HUGE deal. The ACC is nice, but it doesn't have the draw in the markets it owns like the B1G does, while also "double dipping" in a lot of its markets. I believe there is an ACC network (possibly in the building), and its nothing like the BTN. Obviously it would serve better with PSU, there is no doubt about that. The key with the BTN is we get that money, plus a very fine ESPN contract on top of it which is tasty to say the least. ACC obviously gets a better BBall contract than the BTN, but not nearly as much to make up the difference (B1G is still a very very good BBall conference) that the B1G gets out of football (which is the driver in today's sports world).
Now that we've talked about that, you also have to notice what those TV rights hold. The B1G, through our conference affiliation and agreed upon agreement that is mutually beneficial, owns our TV rights for pretty much ever. If they kick us out, we get them back. If we leave, they keep them plus we pay an exit fee. Some can cry and all that, that's a contract. They own us,so just get over that now if you want to whine. The B1G gets all of PA TVs with the BTN, and many optional suscribers in the surrounding areas. Its letting us go nowhere. Some may cite a vote last year, but I promise you that vote was rigged to the point where schools could get close enough to condemn PSU without losing the money they bring in. And then it was leaked so we could all hear about it. Politics 101.
I'd take classes at the University of Chicago over courses at Duke any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Granted I was an economics major and they are one of the best int he world at it. B1G schools are fantastic research institutions, not saying GaTech aren't. And not even mentioning Northwestern or Michigan Business.
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