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Houston is the 10th largest TV market in the country and if aTm had joined it would have been 3rd behind the Chicago and Philly markets in the Big Ten. Also, the Aggies have an alumni base which isn't anything to sneeze at. DFW is the 5th largest market, so even if it gets you a healthy share of it that's a nice amount of people.
I agree with you that UT is the prize in Texas, and arguably the country. But I think aTm would have been a fine addition.
And since I live in central Texas I could be back in Big Ten country Honestly, since I moved down here I've met way more aggies it seems. I'm not sure why that is.
It's 99% with a 49.9 margin of error.
Why should we have to go to class if we came here to play FOOTBALL, we ain't come to play SCHOOL, classes are POINTLESS
women's volleyball is alot better in the BIG, but your point is valid.
That's fine. I get why people want to leave. But PSU didn't join it to open up recruiting grounds or for the travel locations (I love most of the cities but thats cus I've partied in em), they did it for the money. Saying anything like "outside the money..." is just dumb because it is ALL ABOUT THE MONEY. That's what college sports are about. I understand some here are jaded to that fact, but its about the mutha f*ckin dough. And with PSU facing fines and other monetary punishments/settlements, they now more than ever need that money. If the ACC provided better cash (not even close) I'd jump on going there. They don't so f*ck it.
I hear what you are saying. The truth is we've never felt like we belonged in the Big 10 and that we sold our eastern soul to join. We went from being THE eastern football program, having carried that banner for decades, to playing in a midwestern conference. We have no rivals other than OSU and even to them we wil always be second fiddle to UM. And make no mistake, there is a good old boys network in the Big 10 that we aren't a part of and likely never will be. The "boys" just speak with different accents...
Don't get me wrong, the Big 10 has been great for the university academically and financially, as well as for the other varsity sports. That is why I do not necessarily endorse leaving the conference. But as a football fan, I would love to carry the "eastern football" banner again and play some of more of our traditional rivals (Pitt/BC/Maryland and to a lesser extent VA an Miami)
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Yes. Sudden ACC love. I understand the anger with the Big 10, but it wasn't all that long ago that people were saying the same stuff about PSU going to the Big East before that conference completely fell apart.
ACC football is worse than the B10. Pitt and Cuse don't make the football conference better, The carolina schools are terrible, Miami/VT suck right now, FSU is mediocre and that's about the extent of football in the conference. Yeah, the B10 in the middle of a few down years, but OSU, PSU, UM, Wisc and Nebraska are better than any single school in the ACC on a consistent basis, and Iowa and MSU at least have the potential to exceed most ACC teams.
Moving to the ACC would be awful for PSU improving in basketball. PSU basketball isn't going to be able to recruit nearly as well against Pitt, UNC, Cuse, and Duke, an even the middle of the road ACC teams have more to offer basketball recruits than we do. plus, we would consistently get rolled by more than half of the conference. Yes, it's a great basketball conference, but PSU doesn't put the kind of resources into basketball that the rest of the ACC does, and that will hurt them.
BC doesn't play hockey in the ACC, and neither would PSU. They would have to join hockey east, and with that, there's nowhere near the potential for national exposure than PSU would get from the BTN. PSU would be a relative newcomer in a league dominated by Boston schools and soon Notre Dame, PSU would be an afterthought among those established teams, instead of a centerpiece of the Big10 hockey league.
What does PSU have to offer to a conference besides a loyal fanbase right now? Our national image sucks, our financials are in shambles for the next decade or who knows how long. Our administration is floundering and constantly under assault from the government, students, fans, and alumni. Our house is a damned mess right now, and every other conference knows it.
I don't have an inflated sense of the worth of the B10. I think I'm being pretty objective about what are getting from them and what we aren't. What I'm not allowing myself to do is fall for this "grass is greener" sentiment that's run wild since the Nebraska game. We got screwed by incompetent refs. We know it, Nebraska knows it, and though he'll never admit it publicly, Delany knows it too. The refereeing in the conference this year has been across the board awful for almost every team at one point or another, and it's been a huge black eye for the conference. Delany may be an ass, but he's not so stupid to not realize that it's a huge problem affecting the credibility of the conference which needs to be addressed.
There is NOTHING that says the ACC is interested in us right now, and even if they are, there is even LESS of a guarantee that we'd get any better treatment from them or any other conference.
Seriously. Stay on the OSU board with the rest of the idiots.
I totally agree with you.
But that said, as a fan speaking with my heart.........the Big Ten sucks donkey balls.
That's probably because you weren't walking around WalMart (that's a Texas joke).
I'm not sure, we have enough of a problem with illiterates and toothless morons with the state of Ohio. I don't know if I could handle aTm joining and inflating, or deflating in terms of average number of teeth per fan, those numbers.
EDIT: Also, central Texas and you meet more Aggies than Longhorns? Are you in San Antonio?
This post was edited by Texas Lion 20 months ago
I'm in Georgetown - about 40 minutes up 35 from Austin. I think it's strange too - maybe I just remember the Aggies because I married into an Aggie family.
I think this is the most absurd rumor I have heard on this board in a long time.
I know a few kids who go to school there, a bunch of potheads.
I've made that drive a lot. I grew up in Fort Worth and my brother and some good friends of mine go to Texas.
I'm surprised there are more Aggies in Georgetown because its so close to Austin.
Reported by who on what station? And talked about by random mssg board posters?
Doesn't the Big 10 have a bylaw stating that all schools have to be in adjoining geographical states? That would make these rumors invalid.
Maryland borders PA. Then again, if we are booted, Maryland can't be a member if that is a rule.
I don't think the bylaw exists at all. It was thrown out the window with the flirtation with Texas.
While I think the rumors are all BS, we both know the B10 can change a bylaw in an instant if they wanted to.
Remember when Mizzou thought they were in the B1G and that's all the whole state could talk about?
They are still bitter. Especially after getting their teeth kicked in this year. Funny to hear them live in denial though.
Exactly, like the NCAA changed its bylaws, except after the fact.
You're right. Very true. I was thinking along the lines if we got kicked, MD would be impossible to join.
I would trade places with Mizzou immediately. Comparing the quality of the B1G to the SEC? Lolz ...
And people think we get screwed by the refs now. PSU would likely never get into an SEC CG if they were in that conference. And if they somehow did, they would have ZERO shot of winning it. And that has nothing to do with Sandusky.
I wouldn't, playing in the SEC would suck.
ESPN would bump us up in the rankings and give us more air time, but the SEC and the coaches are a bit shady, and stuff that happens there I don't agree with. I'd rather not be a part of that whole thing.
I would be willing to bet that Penn State brings in more money for the B1G than they take from it. Remove Penn State from the B1G, and gone are Pennsylvania, New Jersey, NYC, and the Baltimore/DC markets. There would no longer be a gateway for the B1G to the East coast. The divisions could effectively be renamed Rust Belt and Corn Fields. And, that is not to say that Penn State would bring the same value to the ACC, which already has a big presence on the East Coast.
Lastly, if you don't like the topics discussed on Penn State boards, stay away.
B10 hate has been around since we joined, at least with my PSU circle of friends. The tri state area has a huge PSU following.(NJ NY PA). We all complain about going to the mid-west schools for away games, no attraction for me. Clemson, FSU, Miami is on it's way up, Pitt will be fun for PA. VT is having a down year, yes, but so is most of the B10 and they will rebound. ACC will only help basketball recuiting, east coast kids love the ACC, B10 is big in the mid-west for basketball, but not out east. Resources?? not sure what your talking about, but we don't play in Rec.Hall anymore, bryce jordan center is very nice place to play basketball. Hockey would join the east conference, where they belong anyways. Thinking we are gonna be the center piece for B10 hockey? Keep dreaming!! East hockey would be awesome for our fan base.(remember we don't travel to MN, WI) Mid-west isn't a strong fan base for us, why play all our games there?
That talk of "we are a mess and we have no worth", you can save that shit for someone else. Thats scared talk, we need to step up and be proud, we are still PENN STATE.
this is all a rumor anyways, but if it ever become reality, I AM ALL IN ACC, B10 sucks money balls
This comment has fail written all over it. ACC doesn't have hockey, but there are other options. It's certainly not hard to figure it out.
You don't think PSU would be dominated by Michigan, Minnesota and Wisconsin when it comes to BIG hockey? Think again. Those three would control the deal and Sparty to a way lesser extend since really that program isn't as good as it once was. I fail to mention OSU because it sucks.
PSU a centerpiece for BIG hockey? Don't be a fool. Fools think that.
Do you think PSU gains alot of hockey exposure on the BIG Network? How many hockey games would be televised? Not many with COLLEGE BASKETBALL going on. That trumps hockey.
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