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USC walk-on loses scholarship to make room for Simione Vehikite, who was just released from jail. That's a school I'd want to play for.
I get that Silas Redd wanted out of here. He even thought about transferring when it all hit back in November. But he really wanted to play for this guy? Obviously he couldn't see Kiffin for who he truly is.
Oh yeah....and we have a CULTURE problem!
This post was edited by Bedford2108 22 months ago
It's sad that coaches like this exist in college football, or any level of sports for that matter. It is what it is though.
"DOMINATE the state" - James Franklin 1/11/14
I know this was a rumor before it ever happened. Is it final now?
2 Hours ago:
DUI, leaving the scene of an accident (with injuries), one year sentence reduced to 3 months, and we send Devon up the road for illegal substance. We are the one's with the culture issues.
Oh Yeah good luck Silas.
This post was edited by timoty 22 months ago
i thought i read that he was taking the scholarship of an incoming freshman who didn't qualify academically...
and i honestly think you guys gotta lay off silas for leaving. He has been acting like a professional since he was a freshman. He made a business decision to leave, and i cant blame him. He chose to play for USC, not kiffin. I dont remember him ever raving about his new HC. He did choose the program. W/o all this shit happening, yea, there would be a reason to hate silas. But it did happen, and he made the choice he felt best, gotta lay off him.
I please the ladies by any means necessary
By choosing to play for USC, you get Kiffen too...Just like PSU is in this mess because of a former coach! Im not a child molester and neither are the players who are penalized for him.
This can't be a "business" decision either--the NCAA says so!
If he was big enough to walk away from the last three years of blood, sweat, and tears with his teammates to meet his "OWN" needs then he needs to deal with it!
That type of decision – to let Vehikite back on the team on scholarship – does not come just from Kiffin. That decision was obviously going to be controversial and attract attention, so you know the AD Pat Haden knew about it and approved it beforehand. I don’t think anybody has questioned Haden’s ethics.
I don’t know what all was required of Vehikite to get back on the team, but he did take and pass 20 units last semester. He is within a few units of graduating, and as I understand it, his family cannot afford USC tuition.
Kiffin has known Vehikite and his family for years. I assume Kiffin thinks he’s a good person who made a bad mistake. Vehikite is unlikely to play any significant minutes. He never has and Kiffin has said he doesn’t expect him to now.
So this wasn’t a “football” decision intended to improve the team. It was a personal decision to help a person grow and graduate.
The walk-on might lose his scholarship (there is still one recruit who hasn’t qualified yet, so that hasn’t been finally determined). And that blows for him. But he came in as a walk-on and was told when he received the scholarship that it was a one-year deal.
The easy, non-controversial decision would have been to leave Vehikite off the team. Kiffin is taking some heat for this and he and Haden knew he would before the decision was made. Since it’s not about bringing some star player back, I’m going to give him the benefit of the doubt on this and believe it was done with good intentions.
But then, I’m a USC fan and I like Kiffin.
Just wondering, when exactly would it be ok for someone to transfer?
More than just football
Just wait until scholly restrictions hit hard here... PSU will have to do dirty things to get guys on campus. Including ripping ships from "run-ons", medical hardshipping guys and telling guys they just better leave/cutting them. If anybody should have learned anything through this ordeal it should have been don't throw stones because you never know what comes back. No way I'm going to criticize USC on this because who knows what PSU will do down the road.
As far as silas redd, if he wouldn't be playing at USC he'd be playing for some other team not named PSU. No hate towards USC for me and no hate towards silas for moving on.
This comes from Kiffin. Stop it. Lane could have easily said no, but didn't. He would much rather have a convicted felon on the team as long as he could play and had talent instead of a lesser talented kid on scholarship. It wouldn't have gotten to Haden if Kiffin had said no.
He chose to play for Kiffin and USC, not just the school. Fools believe he chose to only play for USC.
Never said once he or anyone else couldn't transfer..but if your man enough to do it because its the best "business" decision, then deal with the negativity attached to it...
Hamilton, Saying no would have been easy. I guess you didn't read my post carefully, or failed to understand it. Saying no was the easy way. And Vehikite isn't likely to help the team much if at all. The walk on played last Saturday. Vehikite did not. But you go ahead and believe what you want.
This post was edited by Joesocal 22 months ago
Haha really? Staying here at Penn State would have been the easy choice?
So your coach takes felons on scholarship because it's "not the easy way." Got it.
Why should we have to go to class if we came here to play FOOTBALL, we ain't come to play SCHOOL, classes are POINTLESS
He's talking about the felon Kiffin put back on scholarship, not Silas.
Now that he's out of jail he can focus on his African American classes and receive his diploma in no time
To be a champion you must act like one, act like a champion.
- Lou Ferrigno
Labeling this kid a felon is kind of harsh. I never condone a DUI. Good people can find themselves in bad situations especially when alcohol is involved. And his BAC was .08% and he was 19. Not saying it's ok but geez. In my book I can see how they let him back on the team. Dude went to jail for 3 months. Now let him live life.
This post was edited by blackshoes 22 months ago
Sure, letting him on the team is fine. But yanking a schollie from a walk-on who, at least to public knowledge, has done nothing wrong, is bush league.
If they sign the dotted line in February, they know what they're getting themselves into. If they want to play big boy sports and get a free education, they need to realize that there's a price to be paid. Yes, it sucks not being able to drink, although almost all of the players in college still do, but that's the cost of a free education. If they don't like it they shouldn't play college football.
c'mon, we didnt send devon up the road...he transferred because of the sanctions....true story..saw it on ESPN
That walk on knows his role and knows he should be lucky and thankful to get any money that comes his way. He came to USC knowing that he had to pay his way and if he were lucky he might be able to earn a scholly. He wasn't promised anything. Paying for school is what he signed up for and agreed to. Is he bummed... probably but if he wanted his full scholarship he should have went to San Jose State.
Looks like the NCAA might be looking to punish USC some more. Of course, it's the NCAA, they just might lift their scholarship reductions.
The NCAA is looking into allegations that two former USC players received improper benefits, the Los Angeles Times reports.
Okay. Some of you are just going to believe what you want. You’ll read Larry Brown sports or some other random joker and take it as the gospel because you want to. Just like all the people who think Paterno knew Sandusky was a pedophile and covered up for him. Don’t bother to actually think about the situation for a minute – just be like the worst of the Buckeye fans.
The walk-on didn’t lose his scholarship because of Vehikite. Vehikite’s scholarship was always accounted for. He always had the opportunity to be reinstated so long as he met whatever conditions were set out for him. The walk on will/might lose his scholarship because of the scholarship limitations (still waiting on one recruit to be cleared). And he was told that when the scholarship was awarded.
Here’s the easy thing for Kiffin. (1) Don’t award the walk on a scholarship at all and he’d never have to worry about criticism for not renewing it. (2) Boot Vehikite from the team and he’d never have to worry about criticism for letting him back on scholarship.
He didn’t do that. So now a walk-on got a year of tuition at USC. Tuition is over $40,000. Cost of attendance is around $62,000, counting books, food, etc. The scholarship saved his parents something in between those two amounts.
Vehikite is apparently a good person who made a bad mistake. He’s a few units short of graduating, and cannot afford USC tuition. He has never has played significant minutes for the football team and is not expected to in the future.
What is the net result of Kiffin’s decisions? (1) A walk-on got at least 1 year of free tuition that wasn’t promised him when he enrolled at USC (and may get another if the recruit who hasn’t yet been cleared is not cleared).
(2) Vehikite will graduate. He’ll still have the conviction on his record, but he’ll also have a degree and some public support from the administration. Better than having the conviction, no degree and getting kicked off the team being the last thing he did at USC.
Bottom line: Two people are better off for the decisions made. The football team is no better or worse than it would have been if Vehikite wasn’t allowed back. Kiffin takes heat from random bloggers. It looks to me like he made decisions that generated the best result for the most people – except himself.
Sometimes (as PSU fans in particular should know), the truth is more complicated than an ESPN headline. A lot of people understand that. Some don’t.
Yeah, not good news. I’m hoping that these factors work in USC’s favor. (1) those violations occurred back before the current sanctions were handed down, (2) the current sanctions are so harsh, (3) the violations occurred under a different head coach, AD and president, (4) the new administration has established a model compliance department and is working with the NCAA closely, (5) the guy involved is a University of Washington Booster who doesn’t like USC, (6) there was no way for reasonable compliance to catch the violations, (7) no institutional involvement or knowledge, (8) no booster involvement, and (9) Pat Haden.
I hope that any additional sanctions are relatively painless – extended probation, vacated games, etc., and they don’t tack on more scholarship reductions. But it’s the NCAA, so you never know.
Here’s a link to the e-mails that triggered the investigation.
They certainly seem to show that McKnight and Jefferson received improper benefits. Scroll down to the last big paragraph of the last e-mail to see that Schenter was not working to help USC in any way.
Here’s a sample:
“I have direct access to a couple of players (nothing on paper). I just finished talking with the compliance department because I am going to put gigantic posters of O.J. Mayo (the new Lebron) and Davon Jefferson on vinyl wrapped on the bus. …USC said no it was against NCAA rules. What are they going to do put them on probation? Good!” “They or the NCAA have no authority over me…Maybe I will advertise the Mayo Clinic. Just think of the publicity or Probation for USC, not a bad choice. I will need an attorney. USC sucks!”
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