In partnership with CBSSports.com
Online Now 934
Online now 973 Record: 7381 (3/13/2012)
Black shoes, basic blues. No names, all game
Buy, sell and swap tickets
You have no favorite boards.
The most viewed topics.
The most replied to topics.
The most up-voted topics.
The most down-voted topics.
The most up-voted posters.
The most down-voted posters.
The most followed posters.
Anyone within the athletic department wouldve took a 1 year head intermin AD job. To think otherwise is naive, IMO.
You take the head AD job of a huge university for a year, put in on your resume, and look good for taking over during a volatile situation and handling it almost assuredly better than Joyner has.
"Whoever’s trying to kill me isn’t getting the job done. But one day, I’m going to punch that f___r in the face."
This argument still doesnt make sense to me at all.
I guess I will use the old line, we will strongly agree to just strongly disagree.
Once again, I will ask anyone, what makes Joyner qualified to be the AD of PSU? No one has given me an answer. And once again, I will say, ask anyone within the athletic department if they were asked to takeover, would they have? I am sure the motivated ones and the ones that care about this university wouldve said yes.
Look at it this way, if I am asked to take a leadership role in my organization, am I going to say yes or no?
Tim Curley got Cael Sanderson, not Dave Joyner. He was prob. on the search committee with Ira Lubert, but since you are giving full credit to Joyner for hiring OB, then how are you going to flip it around and give credit of the Sanderson hire to Dave Joyner instead of Tim?
Tim Curley gets credit for the Troy Sunderland hire. Ira Lupert a big contributor and his friend Dave Joymer were upset with the sad state of the PSU wrestling program under Sunderland and pushed Curley to get a good coach. It has been written that Lupert contributed to Sanderson's salary to lure him to state college.
You forgot a couple
Buisness man - a complete slime bucket
Personality - a complete asshole
Communicatin skills - non existent
Ego - thinks his shit does not smell
Doing it the psu way - he does not even know what that means
I'm not saying he is qualified or even adequate. What I am saying is that no organization will replace an interim employee with another interim employee unless there is a documented, public reason to do so.
Cael Sanderson is the reason Cael is here - not Lubert or Joyner. The search committee (i.e. Luber and Joyner) had pretty much settled on Rob Koll when Sanderson picked up the phone and called Curley to tell him he'd be interested in the job. That's how he got hired not through any search that Lubert or Joyner did.
For the record, it is against NCAA rules for a booster to contribute to a coach's salary. So, despite rumors to the contrary, it's not likely that Lubert is paying Cael's salary.
That rule is also one of the reasons that the rumor about Pegula supposedly chipping in money for O'Brien should have immediately been flagged as BS.
This post was edited by UncleLar 15 months ago
geez..."sad state of psu wrestling" is quite a statement. I think the phrase "topped out" or maybe "had a limited ceiling" may fit a little better there. Sunderland put penn state wrestling back on the map and deserves a lot of credit...his problem was he couldnt quite get over the hump.
those werent my words....they were a repost from the celebration on this board last year when he was named interim AD :)
There are others who would beg to differ with you. Regardless of the order of things, Lubert was clearly instrumental in the hiring. To dispute that is crazy. As for Koll, he was never going to coach here because he has absolutely no interest in leaving Cornell. This was not a secret.
"A lion does not concern himself with the opinions of the sheep"- Glenn Carson
I would disagree about Sunderland putting the program back on the map. The Fritz years, while a downgrade from Lorenzo, still were more successful than Troy. I believe that a change was best for all involved at the time.
Koll was engaged in talks with PSU at the time that Sanderson made the call (this was a secret). My bet is that he would have taken the job. Tim Curley had the biggest impact on Sanderson's hire because he was able to negotiate an adjustment to the University's Nike contract that allowed Sanderson to keep his deal with Asiics. Without that Nike contract change, Sanderson stays in Ames.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by UncleLar 15 months ago
Here are the results from Sunderlands last year at PSU. It speaks for itself. And Sunderland was and probably still is coaching at a high school after leaving PSU.
A little off topic but I have not heard a word about Mark Sherburne since he got fired for something he apparently was hiding, etc.....
Is there or has there been any more to that story? Remember he was IAD as soon as Curley got placed on leave.
My point is, Joyner shouldve never been hired in the 1st place. They made a mistake, and any sane organization would quickly fix that mistake, even if you believe "it doesnt look good" to the outside that we hired another interim for a completely unqualified interim. Unfortunately PSU is ran by insane people.
You dont just let an unqualified person stay in a position of such power. If something is wrong, you fix it as best as you can now, you dont wait for years. If PSU was actually in industry instead of academics, stockholders would be going nuts. Also unfortunate is that our "largest dues paying alumni association" has been nowhere to be found since Nov. 2011, and not just in this case.
i'm aware, just pointing out that one bad year isnt exactly worthy of putting the program in the catagory of a "sad state"
That is true. But wealthy boosters may contribute money to the Athletic Department (see Oregon, Oklahoma State) which frees up money to increase coaches salaries. Where there is a will, there is a way.
So you think O'Brien would call a press conference to slam his athletic director? Do you think the parties involved were going to be telling media they cant stand working with eachother? A "vote of confidence from the administration?" Is that a joke? I have ZERO confidence in this administration so their little "vote of confidence" means jack to me.
So yes, none of that stuff means anything to me. If I am having problems with a co-worker, manager, boss, etc..and I was talking with outside people, I would put up a show too, otherwise it makes your organization look dysfunctional and word spreads. I would probably share it with close people on the outside, but I wouldnt go to the bar and just share it with Joe Schmo who then goes on and tells so and so and then so and so goes on and tells one of my clients.
The old cliche, where there is smoke, there is fire. If OB was perfectly fine with the way things were, he wouldnt of pulled the power play that he pulled. Of course he is not going to come out on a press conference televised everywhere and air the dirty backroom politic laundry. To think otherwise is not grasping reality.
I understand, but realistically, he hasn't done anything in the public's view that would warrant his dismissal. His only noteworthy public action is hiring Bill O'Brien. You just have to think of him as a temp that will not be around in a year and a half.
This post was edited by getmyjive11 15 months ago
However, I don't believe it is against NCAA rules for a booster to endow money to a coaching position. I don't know what benefits they get, but I assume it comes back to the coach in some manner.
This year, the official title for Stanford's OC Pep Hamilton was the "Andrew Luck Director of Offense" (this was the first year, it was endowed by an anonymous donor in the name of Andrew Luck) and Shaw's official title is the "Bradford M. Freeman Director of Football."
SI Tracking Blog - Breaking Sports News As It Happens From The MLB, NBA, NFL, NHL, NCAA And Formula 1
The internet rumor mill was that O'Brien was unhappy with Joyner and pulled a power play that was going to get Joyner replaced. Regardless of what was or wasn't said at the press conference, Joyner was not replaced. Clearly, the rumor was wrong.
But for some reason, some people can't accept that. So now they turn it into a different rumor suggesting that this is all going to spite O'Brien.
247Sports In partnership with CBS Sports