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I'm very curious to hear people's opinions on this.
This post was edited by PSUatw 2 years ago
This must be really rough for Jay. I'm sure it's been a tough 7 months for him, he's had a lot happen to him.
His defense of Joe just shows that he's a good son who loved his father. But I think it's a little naive of him to think that the story will change in any significant way based on sworn testimony.
The thing that I don't get is Jay references the 2001 incident like Joe had no idea of what was going on and was shocked by what MM told him. However, if was aware of the incident in 1998 and following it closely like the FR mentions, then there should have been a red flag in some way. Simply saying that "I wish I had done more" is not enough.
I also think he lied when he said that "none of us knew" in the program.
This post was edited by mtnguy 24 2 years ago
To be a champion you must act like one, act like a champion.
- Lou Ferrigno
I actually believe it. If Joe didn't want it to get out beyond the inner circle, why tell anyone else who might spill the beans, including his son, who never met a microphone he didn't like?
“We need to keep this (expletive) together,” Mauti and Zordich to Hill
There were definetly "red flags" that were missed or failed to be acted on by a lot of people. Some of which were trained professionals. The '98 incident was investigated by trained professional. JS adopted and had a number of foster children. The adoption and foster care process involves background checks and investigations by trained professionals. Those involved with the Second Mile........ JS deceived a number of individuals.
Jay and the family have done a pretty good job with interviews and statements to this point.
Meant to quote mtnguy.
I have a hard time believing this. At a minimum, Joe and MM knew. In the extreme, everyone knew. If Jerry was told not to use the locker rooms, don't you think word would get out in some way, shape or form even if it's gossip? People talk and with the longevity of coaches at Penn State, i have a hard time believing that no one had a clue of what was going on. Naturally, I could definitely see why Jay was clueless
Obviously, none of this is factual and is just my opinion of the situation
Jay did very well and I think he was spot on. The main point is that these continue to be guesses as to what happened; facts remain very sketchy. While I agree that Freeh's conclusions based on the limited facts they had, were largely "reasonable," that doesn't make them correct. There are several reasonable conclusions that may be very different from each other based on the facts available.
I have not read the entire Freeh Report yet, but I am about 60 pages into it. The one thing that I think people have to keep in mind is that the Freeh Report assumes that Curley told Joe the details of the 1998 investigation. In his email, Curley states that he was keeping Coach informed. What Freeh, does not know is exactly what Curley told Joe about the investigation. Freeh is basing his conviction of Joe based on the fact that Joe was informed about the ongoing investigation. Isn't it possible that Curley was not being honest with Joe about the investigation? I hope that what Curley told Paterno about the investigation comes out in Curley's trial.
I really do not think there is going to be a smoking gun that leads to Joe. Joe was like the old school mafia guy and did not email or make phone calls. If things got to him, it was a quick meeting with only the important people and then Joe never talked about it with anyone else. Curley is the only one that might be able to shead some light on the conversations but pro Paterno and anti Paterno people will poke holes at Curley no matter what he says.
Saying all of this, I think a reasonable person would think that Joe was told about the 1998 incident and then after hearing Mike's story, Joe and the others at PSU should have known they needed to turn this over to the authorities.
I think Jay did a very good job under difficult circumstances. I've said all along that judgment needs to wait for all the facts to come out. There is more to this story to come, and I for one, will wait to see what happens before leaping to condemn anyone, but especially a man who has a 60+ year record of of good things. I recognize that Joe is not a saint. It's entirely possible from what we know today that he had a failure in this, but I am not convinced that all the information is out. The Freeh report to me really does seem to be a re-interpretation of what we already knew, and there are a number of key people that were not part of this process due to ongoing legal proceedings. I'm willing to wait and see what comes from the upcoming trials. Further, I believe there are at least 2 or 3 ongoing investigations that may help to clarify things.
Hopefully jay is too stupid to ever comprehend that he was the reason joe covered this up.
Of course that's part of the reason.
Joe steps down and then his son gets let go right away. Dad had to beg and plead with JMU and UVA to get him jobs that he royally screwed up. (Nothing like being seen at a PSU game when you're supposed to be on a recruiting visit.)
Joe held on so Jay and the kids and grand-kids could all stay nice and close to him and Sue.
That's the only reason I can come up with. I don't think joe cared about the wins record and I don't think he wanted to protect Sandusky. What other motivation did joe have to let this slide?
What does JS situation in 2001 have to do with Joe stepping down? If he goes to child services, the police, etc. and reports it in 2001 why does he have to step down? I don't get the logic. By covering it up he risks himself and his family more than any negative that can come to the program or himself from reporting it. It probably does the opposite and makes him look good, that he is even willing to turn in a previous coach. And he certainly wasn't trying to protect JS - supposedly they did not get along at all by 2001.
Since nothing came out of the 98 investigation, I could see them thinking, ah, its just Jerry being Jerry again.
Except at least in '98 they actually found and talked to the kid.
I guess if it was Jay's kid he would have said, "Ah it's just that crazy uncle JerBear with my grandson in the shower....at night...alone....what a crazy guy"
I can't believe how many people are still apologizing and deflecting. It's sad.
This post was edited by FireJayPa 2 years ago
F the NCAA
F the BOT
I would support my father to the end, just like Jay! Many in the mainstream media make Joe out to be the only one who could have stopped or prevented this. While he does deserve blame their are many others who are just as much at fault as Joe. I would like to know exactly what advice the outside legal counsel gave to curly and Schultz when they contacted them? Were was DPW in 1998? There are a ton of unanswered questions that are relevant to this whole investigation. Many of the key people were not interviewed or declined to be interviewed. None of the evidence clearly points to Joe actively being involved in a cover-up. One can assume from the info provided, but there are other possibilities. No one knows what was discussed between Joe and Curley!
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