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This is an interesting thread to read beginning to end haha. From, 'why doesnt he have more offers must not be real good" to now worrying/wondering if Bama will go after him...
Im not worried about who else offered(s), or Bama checking him out, as things stand.
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Bench will not start 3 years and Hack 2.... R u serious? U don't bring in a 5 star QB to start 2 years. Hack should rs and will start 3-4 years...
oh really how sure are you? Because I recall a walk-on out played two four stars and a five start qb for the starting job.
No one knows how things will shake out. I'm excited for Hack, but BOB will play the guy who gives us the best chance to win. He doesn't care about HS rankings.
Just like how everyone assumed Devlin would be a 3 year starter, how Jones was the next great PSU QB, how Bolden was the best arm at the elite 11, beat out Jones, and was going to be a 4 year starter?
It's frustrating that people don't learn from the past... once a QB gets to campus, rankings and HS stats mean squat. We just had a walk-on with no D1 offers beat out 2 top 10 QBs on the roster and go on to break records while putting up so of the best stats in the conference.
You play the best player and if that is Bench (that is who deserves to start). He wouldn't be the first 5* recruit that would have to earn his starting QB job. Look at Mike Glennon at NC State, he sat his first two years and would have sat behind Wilson for a third if Wilson stayed at NC State.
Glennon has been very good for NC State and the extra development time probably is a factor in that.
This post was edited by Lion_in_CBus 19 months ago
Not to mention the 5* QB who sat behind McCarron at Alabama and transferred to UVA (Phillip someone?).
Too many examples...once kids are on campus, stars go out the window. Hack's not going to be handed anything. I might expect him to win it, but if Bench is the better QB then that's who you start, period.
It's not like we're the NFL or the SEC and have to deal with contract situations to determine who the starter is (cough, Mark Sanchez, cough).
Phillip Sims... he's at UVA and is the reason Rocco is transferring from there, even though most UVA fans this Rocco out played Sims all year. It's the Sims ripple effect...aka the over-rated, highly regarded, under-performing QB model... and wherever Rocco goes, there might be another "move."
I agree, I like Hack as much as the next guy and I think he can be an elite Matthew Stafford type talent (top recruit to high draft pick).
However, if Waters/another JUCO QB loses out to Bench in the spring....I find it hard to believe that Hack will beat out Bench in a couple weeks (due to the size/complexity of our playbook). If Bench is named the starter and can digest/execute the playbook...he is our starter for the next three years (barring something unforeseen) and he deserves to be. Hack will just have to wait his time and he seems like a kid that would see the bigger picture.
Agree, but based on what I'm seeing on tape Hack is going to be unstoppable after a year in BOB's system.
So true it isn't even funny. Game situations in college = whole new world.
"One man didn't build this program and one man sure as hell cannot tear it down."
If Bench wins the starting job this year, meaning Hack can't beat him out after 4 weeks of practice (which I agree will probably be the case), that in no way means that he will be our starter for the next 3 years. Hack has a hell of a lot more natural ability than Bench. We don't know who's got a better head for the game and is more able to execute this playbook. How can you just assume that after a redshirt year, Hack won't come out next spring/summer and beat out Bench or whoever the starter is in 2013?
My God, we are talking about what will happen in 2-3 years. One thing is for sure, our 4-5 star guys have not been very successful (Morelli, Newsome, Jones, Bolden...) so can we hold the speculation until we even know who will be in PSU uniforms?
All that is true. But it's also true that OB's qb evaluation and development compared to JoePa's = whole new world as well.
I just don't think people appreciate the incredible difference between high school football, even the at the bigger programs, and Major D1 college football. some kids get better coaching in HS and actually get to play in a system that prepares them for a fraction of the things they need to grasp at the next level, but even those kids have no preparation for the speed of the game compared to HS.
I reviewed the stats of some highly rated QB recruits who started as true freshman and the one stat that sticks out like a sore thumb is the TD/INT ratio. Even the kids that enrolled early throw a ton of INTS. There is simply nothing that can prepare a 17/18 year old kid for the speed and complexity of the college game except the college game itself. There is no way to know how a kid will respond when he needs to cut is decision and reaction time in half while having 260lb players coming at them that run as fast as most of the 5'10" 180lb skill players they saw in HS.
This post was edited by spud358 19 months ago
That is why I prefaced my comment that he will be the three year starter and deserves to be with saying IF he digests/executes the playbook. I never said Bench should just be a three year starter because he started next year.
My comment was to a followup regarding a poster saying that we shouldn't sit Hack because he is a 5* recruit and my point is that IF Bench does the things he needs to do be the starter Hack shouldn't be given that job in 2013, 2014 or 2015.
Exactly. Some kids are coached better earllier on and the biggest thing is what they have upstairs. So many kids are tall and have good arms, but how many have that split second decision making gene? You can't always pull that out on HS tapes.
You can. Feel free to abstain from the conversation. Sorry. Speculation.
Gotcha. I think we can be pretty sure that Hack won't be GIVEN anything based on McGloin being named starter after the spring over a kid with a much higher ceiling, much more athleticism, better arm, etc etc. Obviously it's about who can make more of the playbook available to the offense and not about stars, laser rocket arms, and the like.
I upvoted you on this spud, BUT consider the QB coaching in this equation as well. nfm
no doubt Solo. We can't ignore that and while that very likely played a role in the development of some, PSU is not the only place where "can't miss" HS QB recruits don't always pan out. Bolden is a great example of a kid with all the natural physical tools that just doesn't get it. Based on what I saw, I'm not sure many of his issues could be pinned on just coaching. Jones had a year under OB/Fisher and they saw do little potential that they moved him to TE. He had 2 years in the program including a spring in the new system over Bench and Bench still passed him. PJ chose to transfer despite PSU retaining only a single scholarship QB next year and they kid only played a handful of snaps.
When you start to look at Bolden and Jones, it really starts to look less like coaching and more of just a miss on the mental side of the game. Bolden has moved on so we'll see he does anything with new coaching and Jones got some of the best coaching around and still lost the 2nd team job to a true freshman that had less 6 months less in the new system. Devlin was good and could have played here. Just happened that Clark got the nod even if they were nearly even.
There are too many factors and unknowns that go into a race for a QB...experience time in the city, work ethic, injuries, etc..i mean look at Alex Smith was playing well and got concussed now riding the bench...funny how things just play out.
People get so high on highly recruited kids and think that they will just step in and be the next [insert great player name here] and that is not always the case. They had an article saying that most of the best kids from FLA skill positions that have panned out have been the 3-star athletes...make it to the league and the big 4 and 5 star guys you never hear about....FFT
This post was edited by Goalieman688 19 months ago
Bench got SOME exposure to the speed of the game in the UVA game, and although he looked like a freshman, he didn't soil himself. I think he has some tools, and has an edge over anybody heading into summer ball, including Waters. A semester isn't enough to tackle the entire playbook IMO, especially when the guy next to you has already had an entire year to cover it.
Maybe at the end of the summer Waters can get a good enough grasp of it to take over, but we'll see. I'm excited to hear about them battling it out.
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