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So when Oregon swung and missed on their first batch of LB prospects, and he committed soon after not receiving an offer once they went after their second batch of LBs, that wasn't an indicator of who he was waiting on for an offer?
Penn State hasn't changed, its still a world class education with a phenomenal defensive staff that prepares players for the NFL a hell of a lot better than Oregon does. In terms of realistic chances for a title, Oregon isn't too high on the list either. Chip is trying to get out of there before the NCAA comes knocking and the PAC 12 has the same issues with their defenses and offenses with postseason matchups as the Big 12 does. They won't win a title in the next four years, at least IMO.
For somebody who legitimately loves PSU, they should realize the school itself hasn't changed, and neither has the alumni or education. Still first class in every since of the word. If he like PSU because of our championships and our chance to play for them, then he didn't understand what PSU is about in the first place.
Why should we have to go to class if we came here to play FOOTBALL, we ain't come to play SCHOOL, classes are POINTLESS
What competitor wants to play for anybody other than LSU, Alabama, USC, Oklahoma, or Texas?
If winning titles is all that matters in recruiting high schoolers, most schools wouldn't be able to field teams.
And yet he will be attending another school. I think, by definition, that means we will be his backup choice. If I love a university and have a full scholarship offer to play there, then I attend that school. By choosing to go somewhere else, he is thus showing he does not love Penn State. Try not to throw around that word too cavalierly. These kids either want to come here or not. If he doesn't, then let's move on.
"A lion does not concern himself with the opinions of the sheep"- Glenn Carson
LOL ... whatever you say Tex. You can believe that, but I'm not buying. He was a soft verbal once the sanctions came out. Nothing really has changed. Has PSU changed? Nope. Has the education that he would receive change? Nope. Has the coaching staff to the school he verballed to changed? Nope. The only thing that has changed, he won't be able to play in a bowl game for three years - two, if he redshirts. God knows, he will have a great opportunity to play as a true freshman at one of the best linebacker producing schools in this land because lack of depth will become a factor next year.
The myth is he loves PSU. If he truly did or does, he wouldn't bolt.
This post was edited by Hamilton Lion 20 months ago
I watched Hodges' high school film for about two minutes before deciding he was definitely ending up at linebacker. He had that build and he just moved like a kid who would better suited at LB. That's not to say he couldn't have made for a good safety, I don't know for sure, so in that sense I'll concede the point. But I always knew he was ending up at LB.
That's why I don't like the comparison to Johnson. He has a leaner build and moves more like a DB, but he has the frame to potentially grow into a LB. He's a true tweener in my eyes, not sure where his best position is in college.
With fitzy size is no longer a deterrent for me and 6'2 190 is a good start. Kid is a player and can play multiple positions...
This post was edited by rmj147 20 months ago
WE ARE! And we will always be...
Watch what a recruit does, not what he says.
His actions tell me we're his backup school. We're there in case he doesn't get an offer he's really looking for or something better comes along.
If I were OB, I'd be looking for a replacement for his spot.
Isn't 'Bama one of the SEC schools that throws offers out to everyone?
Just b/c you have an "offer" from 'Bama doesn't necessarily mean they would take your commitment should a recruit attempt to commit there. At least that's my understanding.
First of all, there are championships other than the national championship. PSU can't even play for the B10 championship.
Secondly, where did you pick those schools from? Do you think they're the only schools that have a chance to win national championships? IF that is what you're saying, that's just stupid. If it's not what you're saying, please explain.
And lastly, every school generally goes after and gets the best players they can. And most kids chose a school from the "best" range of options they have (i.e. typically, if a kid has elite-level options THAT ARE ELIGIBLE TO WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS, they will chose one of those options over their options that are not at least eligible to reach pinnacles).
What drives competitive people is the chance to help an organization (team, company, whatever) reach a top.
Of course their are other factors that sometimes come into play, but you will be hard pressed to find competitive kids/people with options where they can help take their team/whatever to the pinnacle, but instead chose another option.
I think you're absolutely right, but I think the staff is looking for a different kind of player than Johnson at LB. As in...he's probably not even on the board at LB. That's JMO based on everything that happened.
Ill take that bet.
While I agree, at some point the staff has to change and adapt too. When you are in our position, I think at some point you have to take a good football player who wants to come to PSU and find a spot for him to make plays. As unfair as it is, beggers cant be choosers--we gotta get good players!!
And he's a good player
Yep, there's the Meineke Car Care Bowl, the Rose Bowl (which Oregon only gets into if USC goes the national title), and the Pacific Life Bowl. Outback bowl is there too. And the potato bowl or whatever they call it in Idaho. There are plenty of 18th, 19th, and 28th place "championships" to be won. Unless he goes to a team that wins its conference, which USC looks to dominate handily again soon like they did in the early 2000s.
I picked teams that have been to a title game recently with a reasonable chance to get back again. Except Texas, I don't know why I picked them. My point is that unless you win the conference, you typically have no shot at a title, at least one that means anything.
So Mauti and Hodges aren't competitive? They could've gone most anywhere and chose not to.
Maybe the kid proves me wrong, but I'm not sold he's a star at the college level.
F the NCAA
F the BOT
Even if Bama does throw out a ton of offers, they still haven't offered Issah... he said the Bama recruiting coordinator contacted his high school coach and him they are interested.. that's about it.
Can't necessarily disagree Bills. I think they wanted him as a DB and nothing else, and they didn't feel like he could play there for him. That's their opinion as the staff of course. I wouldn't be shocked if it played out and he never got an offer, not shocked at all. Like you said, it played out weird down the stretch.
Also, anyone else like the title of the thread or is it just me?
I didn't want to bring it up, but now that you did I immediately thought of "Next up: Lafferty, Daniel and Gilmore....Happy?"
happy gilmore 1996 universal studios
This post was edited by Andrew Dzurita 20 months ago
Can agree with that too, but you can't just take players that you don't think fit into what you want to do as a football team just because they're a good player. I'm all for adapting and making systems fit the talent, but if you don't like him as a LB, then you don't like him as a LB.
We'll have to see, the staff might end up offering him, I don't know. My impression is that they'll end up finding a couple of other OLB prospects to offer.
We have to remember a few things--and Im sure the staff knows more than me..But our depth chart at many positions is to say the least, average...and dont forget, players who play well could choose to leave AGAIN after a year. I REALLY dont want more and more walk-ons--at least more than we will already have to use..JMO
Um, well yeah. Duh.
The point is if you don't think he can do it, you can't offer him. I don't necessarily agree with bills on this whole thing, thus the back and forth, but I see where he's coming from 100%. I don't think anyone has to start relying on more walk ons than necessary, that isn't what its about.
We know that we'll offer guys, especially this first year, that we typically would not offer. We're discussing the degree at which we differ, specifically in this case.
Don't get me wrong, guys, I'd have no problem with an offer to Johnson. I wish he had gotten an offer long ago, in fact. I'm just giving my opinion on how the staff might see him based on what has happened and what Sean has indicated.
Even before the sanctions, the staff showed that they went after kids who they liked, not just highly rated kids.
We'll just have to see.
First off--I dont know who you think you are with the "Um, well yeah, duh."...I dont need that..If you disagree with me fine, and I guess we will have to wait and see who signs with PSU at several positions. My point is the pecking order on recruits for several positions is going to get smaller and smaller--we are behind the eight unfairly already..a good football player is still a good football player..find a spot for him..we can agree to disagree
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