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Curious to hear your definitions of ideal PSU Lineman recruits (OL and DL). (?)
OL - Versatility, Smart, Size (something that Fitz can turn into "grown up man")
DL - Speed, Size (ditto Fitz work)
My personal wish is a little more nasty for both.
Definitely a nasty streak for both sides, more so for the OL.
DL I'd like that nasty streak too but I think I'd put speed up there. DL its all about that first step, IMO.
"DOMINATE the state" - James Franklin 1/11/14
OL - Long, athletic, intelligent, nasty
DL - SPEED - hustle - intelligent
PENN STATE FOREVER
6'5, 230 for OT for me please.
Recent studies have shown....
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Suck It Emmert!! and "Sorry for not being sorry for being a Penn Stater" - Philafan
Heart(yes I am a big fan and still believe in it)....Talent.....and if you can at least a smidgeon of football instincts sprinkled in.
OL - quick, smart interior guys, who can get to the 2nd level defenders in a ZBS. Long, athletic OT's with good technique, and excellent feet. I'll take the 6'5" 260 LB guy who can grow into his frame any day, over the 300+ sloppy high school OT.
DL - I want the smaller(6'1" - 6'3" 285-305)quicker, 3-tech guy. I want the gap penetrator Vs. the space eater. Again, give me a slightly undersized kid with a great motor who Fitz can mold in the weight room. Yeah, I'll take nasty too.
"A bowl game ain't nothing but a vacation." - Gerald Hodges
On the OL, I like to see good feet when they move. Nasty is good too.
On the DL, I like to see burst. Guys who explode.
Overall for both, athleticism and frame.
Then again, I don't really know what I'm talking about.
I have things I look for at every position. With OL I look at the following, in order..
1) feet. I want a guy who slides laterally and can backpedal. You find a HS OT who does this well you offer him. Trumps size, frame, etc.
2) activity. Do they engage well? Do they move their hands violently? Do they get downfield? Do they finish the play?
3) frame. This means very little on the interior, but at OT I want a kid who has long arms and a big ass. Minimal belly. Frame is hugely overrated though IMO. The first two matter so, so much more.
On the DL...
1) first three steps. What do they do in those first few steps? How explosive are they? Do they get their arms out and engage the OL? A DL wins his matchup in those first moments.
2) violence. Must have someone that plays violently and just attacks the opposing lineman.
3) everything else.
“We’re doing things we couldn’t imagine,” says safety Stephen Obeng-Agyapong. “But we’re doing them together.”
I've seen a hundred offensive linemen who looked nasty on film and played like you know what's when they started playing against the big boys in college. So I don't care about that aspect much anymore when evaluating high school offensive linemen.
You see an OL backpedaling you're in BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIG trouble.
Ha. Fair enough. Backpedal was the wrong phrasing. Wasn't sure what else to call it. I look for guys who can handle a bull rush without losing their footing. Need to be able to slide backward without losing balance.
I think he meant kick slide.
Lateral movement is most important, but I want to see kids who keep their feet under them when they are engaged. That was more what I had in mind.
Sink your ass on a bullrush, just try to get low and slow em up. Kick slide on good pass pro. The good ones will have a dominant post step for the inside move off of a kick slide, which is where feet will really shine. That's the hardest one to teach, and actually something that Mahon did really well as an OL (though his kick slide wasn't special which will push him to OG).
The whole question is too broad. It matters what you look for from each position and what kinds of guys you have on the roster. Hell, I look for something different from a RT to LT to RG to LG to OC. And it goes even more broad on defense. Depends on what scheme(s) you run, what you want to compliment with your current class and roster.
Gem pointed out a great aspect though with the "nasty" everyone is looking for. Shrive was supposed to be "nasty" on film (HA!). And Grimm is now. But who do you want, Grimm or Bookser? It isn't close for me and hasn't been.
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