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No i get what you're saying. But we cannot undue what we have already interjected ourselves into in the short term.
So what is your solution? Turn the middle east into a sheet of glass? Don't they hate us enough already?
I don't get what the big fear is with North Korea and Iran. North Korea can't even keep the lights on and feed their people. To launch a nuclear missle would assure their own destruction. Same goes for Iran. Their major exports are oil, rugs, and pistachios. We could destroy their nuclear plants and military in a heartbeat. Launching a nuclear attack would also result in their own destruction. It's not in their interest.
We're too stupid to see we're being played like fools. North Korea should be China's problem, but the Chinese love seeing us cower to those pissants and look like impotent fools with them. And Iran should be handled by regional powers like Israel, Russia, and India. Russia is happy to give them money and buy their oil and supply them with weapons to keep us occupied and break our bank.
The cold war is over. Al Qeada doesn't want any part of us on the battlefield anymore. It's time to bring the troops home.
I think its kind of sad that we have to give up part of our American tradition. I'm also really upset about nasa losing like 900 million (unsure of number). Entitlement programs are what really needs to be cut.
That is not necessarily the correct way to analyze federal spending. Especially military spending. Just because our economy is better doesn't mean we need more federal/military spending. In other words, we shouldn't spend more just because we have more -- Especially when we have so much freaking debt. And by the way, debt is one thing that actually actually appropriate to measure relative to GDP, and it's the highest it's ever been relative to GDP (or absolutely).
It's certainly a better, more appropriate way to look at it than to look at military spending irrespective of a country's economy, population, and size.
Few people seem to understand that those pilots would be in the air doing a training run anyway. Now instead of flying over a stadium, they'll be flying over some rock formation in a desert somewhere. It's not going to save anyone any money, it's just a symbolic gesture.
are you sure about that? I was told by a navy pilot that flyovers often come from the PR budget and not the training budget. Even if you argue that it's just fancy accounting, the training budget is getting cut too. IMO, if training is getting cut, every hour in the cockpit becomes more important and training needs to be more efficient. You'd be hard pressed to argue that flying a thousand miles to fly over a stadium is as efficient as running combat drills over the open ocean or desert.
this is a Huge topic that i don't have the answers or strength (third shift no sleep) to get into. But i don't believe that slashing the defense budget and keeping our heads low is a realistic or viable option at this time.
Besides the more useful controlled drills on base done with simulators etc. are a ton more beneficial than a fly over.
Blah blah blah republican democrat no idea what we are talking about blah blah blah
“We’re doing things we couldn’t imagine,” says safety Stephen Obeng-Agyapong. “But we’re doing them together.”
Um...... no. For one, it takes a bit of work to make those flyovers happen- guys have to be on the ground at the site up on radio comms with the pilots to tell them to slow down/ speed up / ect. That's a bit different situation than two guys going out to do an air-to-air training sortie. Two, I'm not in that community (pointy-nosed jets) but I find it hard to believe that they'd be able to fit any good training around a flyover. Those guys train to put warheads on foreheads and win fights in the sky: that calls for a different type of flying than straight and level at 1,000AGL (or whatever altitude they do those flyovers at).
I say end the flyovers and save some money.
So, are they going to stop the government sponsorship of sporting events? The military sponsoring NASCAR teams, pro wrestling, bass fishing, etc... Send your recruiters to high schools near graduation and you'll get your recruits. Hopefully, they prevent something as stupid as USPS sponsorship of the cycling team from ever happening again.
This post was edited by BlkShoeCole 13 months ago
The words "Republican" and "Democrat" were only used once in this thread prior to you posting that. And that was from a "die hard republican" wanting more military cuts. Not a bad thread all things considered.
I would argue fancy accounting. I would also argue that not all flying hours are combat drills. Pilots need X hours in the air just to remain sharp. Who cares if some of those X hours happen to involve flying over stadiums rather than wasteland?
The rhetoric and argument used clearly indicates party affiliation. Same talking points.
What is done with those hours is most important and given the choice between dedicated combat or recon training vs a fly over during a budget crisis, I'll take the former. I think it might be intellectually dishonest to say for sure that experienced pilots are getting equal training in both instances. My cousin is a new F-18 pilot off the USS GW, I'd be curious to hear his take on that specific question. BTW, check out this sweet shot of him... words can't describe how jealous I am!
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by spud358 13 months ago
History is replete with lost and over run peoples who shared many of your short-sighted views on outside threats. I for one sleep better at night knowing we have the best.
As a person who has participated in multiple flyovers, I can tell you for certain that these can be treated like any other training event. Squadrons have an annual flight hours budget and it doesn't matter what day you fly. We often did other training on our way to/from the flyover sight.
A flyover is training in itself. Arriving at an event precisely at the end of the National Anthem is no different from having to have your jet at point x at an exact time to drop bombs or laze a target in a war time situation. Well, except for the being shot at part! And of course they make us fly slower than they used to.
Back to point of this thread. The media article is yet another media fear-mongering piece designed to stir up support to stop the sequester.
This post was edited by NittanyBill 13 months ago
Thanks for your service!
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