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I think most people here, including myself assumed that CH would red shirt this year. However, when listening to BOB, he did not indicate this. He said CH would be in the mix, would give him some reps to see how he does, and that the best players will play. In a way, wouldn't this make a little bit of sense if he was ready. Freshman can succeed (see last year). He would be surrounded with guys that will take the pressure off. The NC schedule should allow some time to grow prior to conference play. Having the best WR in the Big 10, Carter, James, a 240 LB ZZ, Lynch, Belton, BMF, Geno Lewis, and possibly AB playing as a freshman gives you many options, open receivers, high percentage throws, a running game, etc. Interesting to see how this plays out.
If he's the best, he'll play. I trust OB on that. That said, every win matters so much more under sanctions for perception.
I am curious who you were alluding to when you said "see last year" though. Always some standout Frosh's just didn't know who you meant.
I do not think AB does much this year...he still needs to put on some weight and is still recovering from knee surgery while he is a go for the Spring they are going to be careful with him...
Exactly this, the best QB will play.
I would agree with your comments. I would prefer to see CH redshirt but if he gives PSU the best chance to win, then let him play.
I was referring to Menziel. Not exactly apples to apples as he did red shirt but still went from 3 star to Heisman with no game time prior.
I do agree with you 100% about perception. I think that played into McGloin never coming out last year. Padded stats makes for an easier sell to recruits. What if MM had 600 less yards and 8 less TD? Not quite as impressive.
Although I am viewed as a homer for the success I see this year's team having, I also think the sanctions will make next year a real challenge for the staff. Maybe BOB is looking at the fact that a seasoned Hackenberg surrounded by very good WR, TE, and RB will help offset some of the difficulties that will be experienced at other positions caused by lack of numbers.
as discussed before... if Hack does not start this year and the other guys have a solid year... he will have trouble taking the job until a R-JR....
PENN STATE FOREVER
This might be semantics, but Hack will immediately be the "best" as soon as he steps on campus. It will be the playbook that holds him back. If he can learn it in time and get used to the speed of the game he'll be the starter IMO.
he could be third best... if he gives us the best long term option he starts... once the Fall hits all players are under normal rules... Hack starts unless he is a pick machine or someone else steps up
If hack comes in, learns the book, and beats bench and ferguson he starts.
If not, he redshirts. Both situations are not bad. Nothing beats game speed reps. Nothing. But he will take his lumps and learn.
If he redshirts he comes into 2014 with a full understanding of the playbook, stronger physically and a year of tutoring under OB.
Where exactly is the downside?
One thing we learned from the Newsome, Bolden, Jones era... until a QB comes in, and actually plays and earns the job for a full year and we see him in game action, at real speed, projecting the future, and trying to space the classes is irrelevant...that goes for all three Hack, Bench and Fergie... throw Seymour and Crook in there too...
Well yea that point has been made... If no one establishes themselves it won't matter but if they it's near impossible to make a change
not to , but at no time was I ever under the impression, listening to BoB or Hack, that this was not an open competition. If Hack was able to come in and learn the playbook and outperform the four guys on the team, he was going to get the job. If that was not the case, he could redshirt. I think everyone has been pretty explicit on that point from day one.
I would argue that both of those things (adjusting to the speed of the game and learning the playbook) are strongly considered when deciding who the best QB is.
One other thing to consider is that BOB has maintained that each position is open competition. I know QB is not open competition each week (like most other positions), but at the beginning of each season it will be. This means that even if Hack RS this year, the competition opens back up in the Spring. BOB is running this team like an NFL team in that the best players are going to play with little obligation to seniority. It won't be easy to unseat an experienced player, but if he is the best QB then he will play.
Exactly. There is no downside to this. Either way, I'm glad we have this problem.
Exactly this. Hack for sure will have the best tools from day one, but that doesn't mean he is the best option at QB from day one.
I'm curious to see what Hack can accomplish with 1500+ lbs of linemen in front if him. We know he's gifted, but he was dealing with broken pockets and poor line play last year. I know the speed of the defense at this level increases greatly, but having even an additional .5 to 1 second of look could be huge in his development.
When I hear OB talk about the QB position all I hear is how vital it is to his offense. for his system to work, he needs a guy that understands the system, can execute the system under extreme pressure, and can be a leader on the field. Back when Bolden was looking like he was going to play as a true freshman, I did a little research on true freshman QBs to see how they did. The results were not good. First, almost all of them enrolled early. Top recruits coming into an open competition knew they had to come early and almost all of them did. Second, the INT to TD ratios were awful, illustrating the time it takes to adjust to the speed of the game from high school. Third, some of them actually regressed and lost the job. Finally, sack totals were pretty high.
The gist of everything was that even top recruits who enroll early to get a full spring under their belts really struggle. I think Barkley was the best that I came across and he was blessed with impressive talent all around him. He still threw 14 INTs on the year, completely less than 60% of his passes, and was sacked 17 times. For Hack to come in over the summer and put up better numbers than Barkley did would be EXTREMELY impressive.
I'm all in for letting the best man win the job, but I think a lot of people are minimizing what it's going to take for Hack to be the best at running OB's system and executing it under pressure. IMO, if Hack is playing he's either a future Heisman candidate and one of the best QBs to ever play at PSU or the other guys are pretty bad.
Does Hack have a copy of the playbook already?
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#PennState QB of the future, Christian Hackenberg, is in another growth spurt, his father says. He's now nearly 6-foot-5 and 225 pounds.
"Penn State has taken a lot of punches in the last six months and it's time to punch back" - BOB
Haha, oh man.
I would think so, but I'm not sure
I believe that he was promised one as soon as he signed his LOI, and I assume it was overnighted to him the next day.
I'm pretty sure all 2013 commitments got a copy after signing their letter of intents.
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