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I'm only half kidding when I say this. But take whatever the message board consensus is and drop it a round or two. Last year around this time many had Still as a top 10-15 pick.
This is true.
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And I actually had a debate with several posters about Joe Suhey after Bill Parcells said Suhey was a "sleeper" and would be a solid NFL player.
next AJ Hawk
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hell be a 2-3 round pick, got tons of athletic ability, and kept up his numbers even with playing alongside mauti
This isn't the first time on this board that I've read this theory that it's harder to put up good numbers playing next to another really good linebacker. I'm not sure where it comes from, but it's not accurate.
LaVonte David went late in the second last year and was one of the top ranked OLB's. Hodges is not ranked nearly that high at this point so he would need a huge combine performance to sniff the 2nd round. 4th is realistic and 3rd would be great at this point.
Josh Hull have a 100+ tackle season with Lee and Bowman next to him would be my best guess.
If Lee and Poz were 2nd rounders. Bowman was a 3rd rounder? I'm guessing Hodges will go 3rd-4th but it's too early to speculate. Either way, he'll end up being a starting LB.
Especially when they played on opposite sides of the field as OLB's for the most part.
Hodges... Early 3rd, Hill... Early 3rd, Mauti... Mid 6th
willis has been getting less and less tackles and bowman stats have been going up. this has happened since bowman has joined the 49ers....if you can come up with stats that disprove my original statement then maybe you would sound like you actually know what you are talking about
So you're picking a particular situation where one player (Bowman) is the third in the entire league in tackles while playing directly along side arguably the best linebacker in the NFL (Willis)......... that's your example? Really?
Mauti and Hodges don't even play next to each other, it's a ridiculous assertion that Mauti would somehow steal tackles from Hodges. Feel free to remember the last decade of great linebacking groups at Penn State where great individual players somehow managed to rack up wonderful stats and awards while playing next to other great individual players. Sometimes, gasp, it actually helps to play with other great players.
Go look at Connor and Lee's numbers from 2007. More than supports gem's statement.
And then Still had a bad combine in comparison to the other dts.
I'm not sure where you are getting this but, it's not accurate.
3rd round seems about right to me at this point. As others have mentioned we'll have a better idea of his draft position after the combine. The speed and natural athletic ability is probably as good as any LB that will come out of this draft. The question mark is his ability to hold up against the run. He needs to work on getting off blocks better and I've seen him take poor angles from time to time. The guy is fun to watch run and in space. Barring injury he should have a decent NFL career.
His combine performance (which wasn't terrible, just decidedly average) had little to do with him being drafted where he was. He was already slipping on mock drafts (which is to say the mock drafters who don't actually do any film work were simply catching up with guys like Mayock who already had Still in his proper spot).
None of this is to say that I didn't like Still as a pro prospect. I did. He just wasn't a top 10-15 player, never was. The whole point is that fans tend to overrate their own players. That's all. It's natural. It happens every single year on these message boards. It will happen again this year. Who cares. Merry Christmas to all and to all good night.
I dont see PSU players dropping as far as they normally did for a variety of reasons:
1. New coaching staff.
2. Strength program
3. More open to scouts during practices
4. Probably better relationships with NF scouts/coaches/GMs
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Remember also that Still suffered from a back injury and I believe the flu at the end of the year and wasn't nearly 100% for Ohio State and Wisconsin.
Then the whole "oh well he isn't as great against good competition like Wisconsin's OL" narrative came from from talking heads who knew next to nothing and had no idea he was playing injured.
Though I do agree the whole top 15 stuff was too high even then.
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Based on how Lee and Bowman have done (among countless others, like Russell Wilson), it could be argued that "professionals" can underrate (or should i say completely miss on) lots of players just as much as fans overrate their own. Based on performance, Sean and Navorro should have both been first round picks...but they weren't. I have no idea when Hodges goes and don't really care but using the judgement of draft "experts" and even NFL scouts as the definitive gauge of an individual player's worth is almost as silly as using star rankings in predicting how an individual high school kid does in college.
p.s. Merry Christmas to all!
This post was edited by psujmc1992 19 months ago
“We need to keep this (expletive) together,” Mauti and Zordich to Hill
Well sure, I'm not arguing otherwise. I thought Lee and Bowman were both underrated, but I wasn't surprised where they were drafted. Actual value is a somewhat different discussion. Regardless, actual value or simply draft position, fans will generally overrate their own players. Penn State fans are no different. Every year we have fun with guessing where PSU players will be drafted and every year the consensus is always more generous than what actually happens. That's all I'm saying. You're getting into an entirely different conversation.
This site has him as 3rd best OLB. Its early on in the process but they are usually pretty accurate.
That likely puts him somewhere in the 2nd round.
It should be noted that list is just seniors, I believe.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by NittanySteeler 19 months ago
Right, now if Jarvis Jones, CJ Mosley, Barkevious Mingo, Jelani Jenkins, Anthony Barr come out where is he? I see him at 3 on the link you posted, 12 on CBS (includes underclassmen), 6 on another board... Last year 2 OLBs went in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th rounds. LB's haven't historically been drafted high, much like RBs. This year probably won't be any different.
SEC fanboy alert. Sound like someone who listens to the CFB media for all of your analysis. LB's are going lower, but lets not propagate the SEC is superior to all fallacy into this discussion.
"A lion does not concern himself with the opinions of the sheep"- Glenn Carson
Hodges is going to have a great pro career, but go look at the site he linked. They have Hodges as the #3 OLB. Their mock draft has 3 OLBs going in the first 15 picks and not a single one of them is listed on their OLB rankings. You may also notice 2 of 3 they have in the top 15 picks are names I mentioned previously in Jones and Mingo. Hodges is a great athlete but there is no need to wear blue tinted glasses when discussing draft potential. There are a lot of great LBs this year and Hodges needs a huge pro day to separate himself. You don't need to be an SEC fan (which I'm not) to see this.
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