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Delany hatched his plan when ND thumbed their nose at him for the last time. Now he's going to pick apart the ACC like a vulture on a carcass. He's gambling FSU and one or two others (Clemson)? will see what's happening and bolt elsewhere as well as for the Big12 and possibly SEC to grab a few stragglers along the way. For those of you who don't like GT but want VT or NC State, it's not all about athletics. It's TV$$ #1 but also has to make sense from the academic side. He's hoping to put ND in a corner where they have one feasible option. Not as big a gamble as it might seem.
Agreed. My main point is why are people saying "NO WAY IN HELL" to GT? They are clearly on the short list... I don't get how people can say that there is no chance of this happening... I mean they were on the short list when Nebraska was added... Now arguing how good of a pick up it would be from a program standpoint I think is an interesting argument... I think there is some potential there, and others say "NO WAY IN HELL" to that... I just want to know more specifics as far as their program. I am no expert there. But the added money and the talent there have to account for something... Right now, they are in ACC purgatory and losing funds daily probably... The revenue from our conference could do wonders, and get them to upgrade facilities and coaching staffs... Could be big. But I don't know specifics so it's all speculation. Again, my main point is, why say "HELL NO" to them joining when they are on the short list...
WE ARE! And we will always be...
Plus, their #1 guy went to rehab (hasn't worked btw, his friends threw a party for him as soon as he got back) and their backup was a RS Fr. They also lost both their top running backs.
Why should we have to go to class if we came here to play FOOTBALL, we ain't come to play SCHOOL, classes are POINTLESS
I will go ahead and say that there is NO WAY NC State is added. UNC is the prize there and is a very real possibility. Adding GT could leverage UNC and UVA to jump. Then all bets are off and we have the SEC and Big 12 taking a lot more and the ACC is no more. Agree with you man. This is all strategy, TV dollars and spreading the brand to other markets. Atlanta is huge... NC markets are pretty big, and getting a school in VA goes into Richmond, and other VA markets (not to mention all the talent there starts to watch B1G schools). I see this going bigger... And other conferences getting involved. I don't think it's a coincidence that Louisville was added to the ACC as a rush job. They are scared, and for good reason.
In response to some of these comments above, I'm not confident that GT brings the "biggest market." Yes, Atlanta is bigger than anywhere represented by the likeliest teams (FSU is not in, not sure about Clemson given that they're ranked 68th). But you're failing to recognize what a North Carolina school does: the BTN goes on a whole state if a school is in that state. That means, UNC pulls the Research Triangle and Charlotte. GT pulls Atlanta and... Marietta??? I dunno what the overall population is, but I'd think that NC is better than GA.
To psulvc, you need to get your facts straight. VT is ranked 72. For comparison, Wisconsin, Penn State, Illinois and Texas all appear in the 40s; Ohio State and Maryland in the 50s; Purdue, Rutgers (and Clemson) in the 60s; and wait, what's that? Iowa and Michigan State are TIED WITH VT at 72??? (Indiana comes in at 83, Mizzou and FSU in the 90s, Nebraska at 101, and Kansas at 106). So, for clarification, the only school in your "definitely out because of academics" list that is actually lower than the lowest B1G school is NCState. Meanwhile, Clemson is ahead of several while VT is tied with two and ahead of two others. VT is a very viable candidate, and they bring in the Northern VA market + the tidewater. VT is, as a total package, the next best thing to Texas and ND that is left on the table.
Edit: I looked at federal research expenditures, as well, and as you might expect, most of the B1G is in the top 50. UVA and GT are very close coming in at what equates to the mid 40s in spending (the rankings I found are inexact because they're a composite of several values), while VT and Indiana are almost identical in what equates to about rank 60.
And don't let the geography stump you here. There's a reason Delany talked about islands and picked up MD - Virginia is next. As a conference, VT serves us better than UVA.
This post was edited by psume06 20 months ago
UVA or VT? I don't know much about VA markets... Serious Q
I dont think the BTN will be on basic cable in NY/MD/DC markets...Not even sure it is on basic cable in Western PA. I dont know much about cable packages, but with Dish in Western PA I believe we had to buy a sports tier package. Dish and the BTN were actually quarreling at the beginning of the season, with the BTN constantly sending e-mail threats that we need to switch from Dish NOW to cable or DirectTV, which I would gladly do but it would be just to much of a hassle during the season. BTN was shutoff from Dish for 1 day in the fall and it was during a Saturday. Fortunately PSU was not playing and the BTN/Dish got a deal done like that day.
What happens though with those markets and that subscribers to BTN will be charged more per/subscriber than if there was not team in that area. For example (not exact numbers), the BTN might charge $0.15/subscriber for those outside of the BT footprint, but $0.35/subscriber for those inside the footprint of the BT. That is how they explained it, I believe actually on the BTN when they talked about RU and MD for 2 days straight.
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"Whoever’s trying to kill me isn’t getting the job done. But one day, I’m going to punch that f___r in the face."
Given what I understand of the TV situation, they're identical in value to the B1G. But in terms of athletic interest (which plays into non-BTN contracts), VT is far better. If that's your question...
If you're asking about academics, I was talking about VT. They aren't "elite," but only about 15-20 schools are, and of the B1G/CIC schools, only NW, Michigan and Chicago qualify there. But VT gets nearly as many research dollars as Carnegie Mellon, to put it in perspective.
I thought that was the point of the YES/Fox deal... To get the NY TVs...
Nah, I was just asking TV $. But that's interesting about academics... Some on here, forget who, said that VT's academics would exclude them. I have no idea one way or the other... I didn't apply there, or ever consider what it's academics were like... But I do know that FSU and Clemson are out. So I guess my point is, GT, UNC, UVA are on the short list. I guess if what you are saying is true, add VT to that short list... ND is of course the big one there too, but IMO you need to leverage them into a corner as someone suggested before.
This post was edited by rmj147 20 months ago
Clemson is not out, though. It's only marginally lower than the middle clump of B1G schools (OSU, Wiscy, PSU) and right in line with Purdue, Iowa, MSU. Make no mistake - the conference will add a "decent" academic program if it makes them a ton of money. I've said since the Nebraska period that VT was a major target. I still think that, especially with what we know now about the objectives of the conference. We will take one of UVA/VT, but I think VT is a bigger win.
Interesting... I just think the SEC snatches Clemson... And probably FSU. I had no idea about Clemson's academics... If you are saying that they aren't excluded because of it, that's interesting to me, because I thought they weren't on par. I will be very interested to see what happens to Miami. This is going to be interesting to watch over the next few years.
Who says you have to have two divisions? Look at the NFL. The NFC and AFC each have 16 teams and four divisions. Outside the box in college football, but then we're heading into unchartered waters the next ten years or so.
Except the member schools don't want FSU and Clemson. And no new market value really.
Hey I was saying that FSU and Clemson is out, and he said they arent... I was just responding to that.
I meant the SEC members don't want them, my bad lol. They likely aren't B1G either due to lack of AAU, though FSU could be interesting. Either way, you're likely looking at the Big XII for those two.
Really, no go in the SEC? Why not? U'd have the USCe and Clemson thing, and the FSU, FL game (although I guess you could still have both protected and have conference battles at the same time if they go to the Big 12)... The guy was making the argument that although they aren't AAU, they are still pretty good academically. And brought out rankings. So I dunno. But I think GT, UVA and UNC are in the top group for sure... He was arguing that VT should be too, and that Clemson wasn't out of the discussion. I dunno. But regardless, my point was that GT, UVA and UNC are on the short list (ND too obviously, but thats a long shot at this point- now with a couple more in tow, maybe they listen). I was adamant about that because people were saying "HELL NO, NO WAY" to GT joining. I was disputing that.
Florida doesn't want FSU and USCe doesn't want Clemson. They don't add anything in terms of markets, and those two schools don't want an in-state competitor in their conference. That's why there is zero chance for them coming on board.
First, USCe anf UF are the two schools that do not want them in the most.
Second, I get where he was coming from but the AAU thing, outside a small (aka 5 maybe) amount, is a deal breaker to the B1G presidents. That's a given at this point.
Ah, gotcha about the SEC. Don't invade our territory, we are the only SC and FL schools here... I was listening to the B1G podcast from ESPN on the way to work. Is Neb in the AAU? They were, then they werent right? And they are like the only one the Presidents would tolerate that wasnt... Unless its ND right? So now its a sticking point, like you said, am I right?
So Big 12 all the way, like MTayl said huh? That's fine with me, as long as the ACC is destroyed and we take the good TV markets and teams that qualify academically (AAU wise)
They are not, mainly due to their medical schol being on a different campus IIRC. There's more but its long and I'd rather not type it all out on my tab. I'll hit you up later.
Gotcha. No prob man. I'm pretty much done for the day, just waiting for 5 lol So whenever you get a chance man. Weird that there's no game this weekend. I dunno what to do with myself.
It appears that way. That's why a school like NC State is getting mentioned second only to VT in terms of a SEC target.
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