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This is pretty straightforward. There are no random points. You EXPECTED Manziel to be successful as a first time starter with absolutely NO EXPERIENCE in a BRAND NEW OFFENSE because he was a high school phenom, despite the fact that for all his HS prowess, he was NOT CONSIDERED an elite talent as determined by his rankings coming out of high school. It is abundantly clear that high school stats mean nothing once you get to college. So to say "no-one is that surprised that they had successful seasons" is stupid. We have had 4 more highly rated QB's going back to Newsome that did not have successful CAREERS, let alone successful seasons. As far as experience and talent, from everything I've heard, red-shirt, scout team guys get very little work with the two-deep guys. So Bench has had actually more experience as the second-teamer going into next year than Manziel had going into this last season.
As far as your next post, Manziel was more prolific in high school. He will in all likelihood be more prolific in college but coming out of high school they were both 3-stars according to Rivals (5.5 for Bench, 5.7 for Manziel), not a huge difference according to one service. So to some, there was little difference in how they projected. I can't make it any more clear than that. Anyone that says they knew Manziel would be successful let alone a Heisman winner is full of you know what.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by psujmc1992 15 months ago
“We need to keep this (expletive) together,” Mauti and Zordich to Hill
I cannot have an argument with someone who thinks Johnny Manziel is a good reason to believe that Bench will be very successful next year, so there's no point me addressing your last post point by point. Neither of us is going to get anything further out of this. I'm not trying to be rude, truly, there's just no point in continuing this argument. It will just escalate and nothing will be accomplished. Have a nice evening.
My last post on the subject. I had no idea that Manziel would be as successful as he was. Neither did you. Nor did.ANYONE. Here is an excerpt from athlonsports preseason evaluation of aTm, written ONE MONTH before training camp.
"The Aggies move into the Kevin Sumlin/SEC era with plenty of offensive potential, as A&M returns a number of key performers from a unit that broke single-season school records for passing, total offense and scoring offense last year. The big question mark entering is at quarterback, where sophomore Jameill Showers emerged with a slight edge over redshirt freshman Johnny Manziel following spring practices. Showers, who throws a tight spiral, typically made better decisions in the spring, giving him an edge entering the fall."
I never said, Bench would be successful because of Manziel. My sole point of this entire exchange is that going into next season, there is just as much reason to expect success out of Bench in BOB's offense, as there was for Manziel going into this past season with Sumlin's offense, or Kelly with Graham's offense or Hundley in Mora's offense. All appear to be smart kids in QB-friendly offenses with a lot of talented kids around them. And for you to cling on to Manziel's high school production as the reason he should be superior to Bench is ridiculous and not pertinent to the discussion.
This post was edited by psujmc1992 15 months ago
Damn, northwestern at Number 2. never thought i would live to see that. Really happy for them. But us at 7..? I think we should be at 5 atleast. We will def'ly be better than Wisc and i think we will be better than MSU also. JMO.
Didn't MSU lead the B1G in drops?
They're going to suck though, which was my point.
Why should we have to go to class if we came here to play FOOTBALL, we ain't come to play SCHOOL, classes are POINTLESS
This is a very interesting discussion. Here are my 2 cents.
I just don't see that big of a drop off, honestly. We are losing leadership but not talent. We are also losing major distractions. Does anyone really think if we replayed the first two games of the season we would lose? But here's my take on the three teams:
Offense: Pretty much everyone is coming back except McGloin. Right there is a huge factor. Add in much more depth at running back with the addition of Akeel Lynch. We could have a really really sick receiving core with the addition of Lewis and Golden if the rumors are true. Possibly Belton playing more receiver out of the backfield or slot. Plus the tight ends. Quick poll how many people knew we had that much serious depth at tight end? My answer is NO ONE.
The only real question mark is QB. Well McGloin is smart and dedicated. He loves Penn State and is extremely confident and his work ethic is amazing. What he lacks is shear talent. IMO, Bench, Ferguson and definitely Hackenburg has more shear talent than McGloin. That talent gap will make up for a lot especially in a system that will be designed to fit the chosen QBs abilities and current development level.
Prediction overall better than last year.
Defense: Definitely a drop off from last year but in reality how much? Losing Hill, Hodges, and Mauti will be huge but Barnes, Hull and Carson are a lot more experience. Wartman will add depth. The secondary should be as good if not better than last year. Leadership will be a big factor and we will be in trouble if injuries occur.
Prediction a drop off but probably not enough to lose games we should win, maybe not good enough to be the difference in games against top teams our offense will have to win those.
Special Teams: How can we not be better here. OB will find talented bodies to throw out there to make tackles I'm confident in that. Williams and other return men will be there which we didn't have at the beginning last year. First game, Hodges returned punts. Oye!!!
Kicker: Sam Ficken has his confidence back and he's not all that bad. He was thrown in a very bad and high profile situation. I believe he makes one (probably more) of those kicks at Virginia if we replayed it. Plus maybe just a little competition there from the freshmen run-on?
Punter: He's ok and should be better. If we can get him to stop doing rugby style kicks he'd actually be pretty good.
Prediction: Much improved and will not lose the Virginia game!
Overall Prediction: Honestly I'd be surprised if our record is not about the same as last year. I just can't believe we will lose to Syracuse, Virginia, and E Michigan. Kent State I'm not sure what they have coming back but are losing their coach. That could put us at 4-0 instead of 2-2. The BIG is another story 4-4 is probably likely however who knows we were surprised this year.
Of course, I could be way off base but without all the crap going on we should be on much better ground starting even with an inexperienced QB.
Hold on...are you saying you don't think Mauti, Hodges, Morris, and Hill are talented? If you were talking offense, then maybe, but I'd still say Stank was good, Farrell was solid, and McGloin showed pretty well.
Ok I had a lot of pent up thoughts and I wrote a bit fast to get them all out. :)
What I meant is the talent dropoff is there but not as huge as some are saying. The experience and leadership qualities will be missed but we have some super talented young guys too.
Barnes and Hull are pretty talented as well, wouldn't you say?
We are also losing stank who was a finalist for the remington award. Replacing experience at center is going to be tough, in addition to having a new signal caller behind him. Luckily we have talent in the interior line, hopefully someone can step up (preferably mangiro)
Hill is the only major loss on this team in terms of talent, IMO. Mauti was an amazing leader and a good player but we have talent at LB. Hodges' talent was almost negated this year because of how we were forced to use him in coverage so often.
Wartman, Hull, and Carson will be a strong unit. DT is where we should be concerned defensively. We can't replace Hill unless Jones takes a quantum leap forward (which is certainly possible, but we need to see it).
“We’re doing things we couldn’t imagine,” says safety Stephen Obeng-Agyapong. “But we’re doing them together.”
Awesome, we get to play the "No respect' card again. It's like printing free money in Vegas.
But realistically, the B1G will probably separate into 3 groups. The teams within the group are all capable of playing 1-score games against each other but would need an upset to move up.
Tier 1 (listed alphabetically)
1. Ohio State
Tier 2 (any order)
6. Michigan State
7. Penn State
Tier 3 (any order)
No doubt finding his replacement will be difficult, but I just think the overall experience and talent will lend itself to be a better overall offensive unit. Most of the guys will have multiple years under OB. It's not just McGloin who had to learn the play book. And receivers have to run correct and crisp routes. Lineman have schemes and assignments. A heck of a lot goes into it. Everyone will be in their second year under OB except Ferguson and Hack.
If you're talking pure talent, sure. But we lose a lot of experience as well, which is a part of the developing of that talent. I think the LB unit will have a decent learning curve, which of course is expected in CFB.
1. OSU after that in this league anything goes,
2. UW is pretty consistent IMO, they always lose a couple but are there at the end.
3. UM at 5, find that hard to believe Hoke is a coach, he will have them improving,
5. PSU - there is more talent than most think, should be decent above the pack team barring major injuries,
6. NW they always get ranked high, unitl they prove it, this is where they belong,
7. MSU who the heck knows, but think we beat them,
8. -12 is a crap shoot, because all these teams are crap.
Like most of you, I'm excited for the potential on next years team. But the one thing that really worries me that I only see a few people point out is the depth at OT. Smith is the only solid starter and he got banged up a lot this past season. Mike Farrell is luxury we don't have anymore. Shrive looked awful at times, and even if he does make huge improvements, who is behind them? IMO this position can be every bit as important to the 2013 offensive success. Especially since they'll be counted on to block for a new first time starting QB.
When a team outgrows individual performance and learns team confidence, excellence becomes a reality. - Joseph Vincent Paterno
Hack is used to running for his life behind a bad o-line. Maybe he'll have a leg up in the competition.
Have little respect or this guy. He has limited knowledge of the sport he covers...must be related to someone. Of course, no one said you had to be knowledgeable to work at ESPN.
He knows nothing about the actual game, and should just stick to covering teams and asking them questions
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He and Bennett also have one of the most annoying twitter accounts out there.
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