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I'm pumped about Lewis (among others), but Felder really came on strong towards the end of last year. Have a feeling he'll be a good complement to Robinson this year.
I believe Sean said that Lynch ran with the first team some last summer. Kid's got skills and I can't wait to see what he can do at RB.
This is exactly why I think we're not "loaded" and why we don't have "tons of talent." We're talented and we have potential to be a very good offense if the QB play is decent. But I have a hard time saying we're loaded.
Rmj---I'm with you man, that's just my realistic expectations after hours of deliberating. Also, howle is starting at center, mangiro backing at guard and center but will play. At RT, Gress is lookin like the leader with Shrive (G and T) and Gilliam building depth. A buddy of mine who is in the NFL has been working with Gress individually, and said his mental toughness needs to improve. Also said GG needs to put on 15-20 more pounds and increase overall toughness.
Bills--- that has me pumped too, I forgot lynch ran with the first team last summer. I hope his practice field success translates to Saturdays. Him and geno sure look the parts.
Shavi-- right there with you, glad I'm
Not the only one who feels this way.
As for the defense, only reason I'm not worried is because LJ is still coaching DL, Vandy is still coaching LB, and we actually have a secondary coach now as opposed to the last regime. Someone new always pops up out of nowhere, and a couple of regulars always over achieve.
Id agree that Gress needs to be more tough... Physically and mentally... GG is already up to 300... I think he can do it. I think the OL will be fine... Call me optimistic.
WE ARE! And we will always be...
Oh I'm right there with you. I'm just saying that realistically GG is "too lean" at 300 lbs to play a full game at OT immediately. As or Gress, he's there physically, he just takes it too tough mentally if he gets beat and beats himself up. PM me real quick.
"Loaded" or not, "talent", except for QB, will not be the limiting factor for the offense this year. Scheme and playcalling will. There's a reason there are more offensive guru's (e.g. Kelly, Sumlin, Leach, RichRod, etc) that do "more with less" than defensive guru's (e.g. Patterson). Coaching plays a larger role on offense since it's based more on teamwork and coordination than sheer talent. Regardless, based on recruiting ratings and physical talent (size, strength and speed) we will still have an advantage over every team we play this year except OSU and they have more question marks than we do on both sides of the ball. If we can get anywhere close to decent QB play and BOB doesn't try to get too cute like he did in a few games last year, the offense should be at least as good as was last year.
I also agree with leftcoastlion. IMO, fans of most good programs are more optimistic than our fans. Other fanbases expect their kids to exceed expectations. A lot of our fans, including many on this board, assume the worst. Hack and AB seem to be exceptions to the rule. Maybe things will change now with the new staff but IIRC, many here thought Sickels was overrated by the one service that had him as a top 100 player even though he had offers from pretty much every top program east of the Mississippi.
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No one is oozing with negativity or saying we suck. Im still optimistic about the team, I was just sharing my opinion that I think whatever we'll see will still be a work in progress and far from a finished product. Just because I have questions about the team doesn't mean I'm not confident in the team or think they suck.
As for most fans of other programs, I don't care. The way I see it, every program has die hard kool aid drinkers, trolls, overly negative group, drama queens, insiders, passive fans, fair weather fans, quiet, loud, ignorant, educated, or just straight passionate. Fans will be fans.
We can disagree while both still being optimistic.
Truth remains that when it comes down to gameday, all of us will be giddy with excitement, hoping for the best game ever, and rooting for the same team to be awesome and win.
As far as the team as a whole grasping the offense, yes. It will be the team and the coaches second year together so things should work better as far as execution goes.
We still have an unknown at QB. I would say in total, the QB play will ultimately determine whether or not we step forward or backward.
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I think they take a minor step back. New QB's tend to turn the ball over more. Hopefully by mid year they are clicking.
"One man didn't build this program and one man sure as hell cannot tear it down."
Haha, was going to go with Gilliam, but its way to early yet
"A bowl game ain't nothing but a vacation." - Gerald Hodges
I agree with this!
Both Bench and Ferguson LACK that all important "experience" factor. Hopefully, whoever the starter is, learns fast after the first four games. For sure, everything else on offense is definitely in place.
If Gilliam gains 10-15 lb, he will be the starting RT, IMO. Gress would need to greatly improve his athleticism because his footwork was awful last year.
I think we are ahead of where we were last year at QB. Last year our two leading candidates at QB were already proven inneffective. None of them had any actual time working in BOB's offense. Bench has a year in the offense. Although he has not had much time on the field last year (which is a conern) he looked comfortable and athletic while in the game. This is the only college offense he has worked in. He also has better natural skills and talents than McGloin and in my opinion shows promise. A second year will show less indecision and more muscle memory and confidence for him in our complex offense.
On Ferguson, he finished a season at the college level, albeit jr college just this past fall. His team was horrible and he had little protection from his line.
None of the other walk ons have sat on the bench last fall either. There was no chance for the game skills to become rusty by sitting for an extended time like Paul Jones.
I really think one of them steps up without having to use a year of Hack's eligibility. If not he will be there waiting in the wings too.
Like I said, I think we are in a better position this year going into the season.
Just my opinion, but I believe ZZ breaks out big this year to te tune of 1500+. This is dependent on a serviceable QB and line stepping up. If we have those I believe this kid can truly explode. He ran for 1000yds against our toughest oponents, didn't play the first 4 games an only started 4 games. He is expecting and training to be the guy this year and the staff knows what they have in ZZ. Lynch and Belton will get plenty of carries this year but ZZ has the potential to be the man.
I think our QB ends up being Bench with an outside shot at the JUCO kid. I think the best bet for Hack and for the team is to RS this year. He will have his time and has the potential to be unreal for the next few years. A year of learning the system and training with Fitz and Fisher/O'Brien will solidify his weaknesses. He'll have some solid talent to throw to and should have a solid OL.
Given a QB and some time ARob and the WR corps will be real good.
All of this speculation revolves around a QB and solid OL play.
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I don't see ZZ @ 1500 yds I think the run attack is more diverse and focuses on the edge game more in 2013. I think ZZ will avg about 17 carries and lynch and BB eat some carries too. If we can force corners to have to tackle on the edge a bit more things will open up. ZZ is a solid back, but OB has said he is going to get the ball to BB a bit more and Lynch just isn't going to sit the pine. like New England does they will go with the hot hand at the RB position. I can't wait to see this Offense in 2013!
Am I the only one that really likes ZZ? Give the man some gloves and another year of London getting on him about holding on to the ball I think we have ourselves one hell of a back.
I think the power north-south style he brings compliments our passing game. I was pretty disappointed with Belton as a back, but absolutely love him in the slot. Belton and lynch get a solid # of carries behind ZZ.
I think year two under Fitz will have a huge impact on our whole squad, especially in the trenches. He doesn't have to rebuild our gym or teach the lifts this year. Plus first off season under his watch.
I think we see ZZ smash behind a stronger more experienced oline, which will be the best in the B1G . Steve Bench is going to have a huge break out year, accordingly to the big ten network he looked really good in practice.
BMF or Lewis develop into a solid #2 and our TEs continue to produce. Belton has his break out season as a slot guy/back. I'd say we are top 2-3 offence in the B1G.
We probably lose to OSU and either Nebraska or Michigan.
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In regards to Animal and those people pointing out that we only have 1 high-end WR and just "decent" RBs...
We started to see this last year, after Bob got his legs, and that's that the offense will try to attack the defensive weaknesses. So, while I think Robinson will have another big year, and the TEs will, too, I think you'll see games where James has 12 catches, games where Robinson has 10, Carter has 10, Zwinak has 25 carries... We may not see something like Larry Johnson, where one dude was clearly the dominant guy every game, but we will see some guys put up massive numbers every couple of games, with maybe 1-2 "consistent" guys (my bets are Zwinak and James).
As for WR, it doesn't matter that we don't really have a #2 (btw, I think that the RS kid, Lewis, becomes a #2 on par with Norwood or DW2's freshman years), because as long as we have ARob, Carter and James in, the last guy - a third TE, second WR, or another RB - should be able to find a matchup against the weakest link on defense. Don't be remotely surprised, especially since we saw it a few times already, if we wind up with ARob at flanker, Carter as a tight split end, James at TE.
Short of it, I don't know if it's splitting touches across games, but more likely, across the season. And as far as WR, we have at least 3 (ARob, Carter, James) legitimate receiving threats. That's more than enough to open space for whomever the fourth route is.
Do I need to go down a list of players that this system has made better in New England and last year here at Penn State?
Woodhead, Ridley, Welker, McGloin, Zwinak, Lehman....the list goes on and on and on.
The one thing that both offenses in NE and last year had was a relativley consistant OL. Give the QB the time in that system and they will make plays.
Think about it....Matt Cassel started in that system for 1 year and made millions to never be heard from again. McGloin went from the ire of everyone to actually going to draft workouts.
Now on the other end of it look at what the offense can do when it gets a superior talent.....Brady, Gronk, Hernandez, Moss.....lights out.
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