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Yes it would matter.
No, the child was alive and looking up at the mom who tried to get in but was restrained by others. There were others who tried to jump over but were restrained as well.
I posted this on our board to get positive thinking and prayers for the family. Something that a lot of us believe in. Again, thank you to those who have been supportive.
ridiculous....maybe I'm in the minority, but if that's me dropping my kid in there....I'm hopping right in after him and nobody is restraining me from doing it. I get they are wild animals and I would likely be injured pretty badly too, but they aren't huge dogs....about the size of coyotes. An adult human could inflict some damage on some of the dogs as well...especially one protecting their child. Who knows, maybe the dogs would have backed away from an adult that was fighting them.
This post was edited by PSU12 17 months ago
Seriously? It wouldn't have mattered if it was just one. It's vicious wild animals versus a toddler who just fell a story and a half.
I understand you have a personal connection to this, but stop trying to blame the zoo for everything.
My kid, hell yeah. No way I watch my child be mauled. There was even a report it took a few minutes before they attacked, and another that said it was instantly. Either way, I have a hard time thinking no one went in to help the kid. If a few guys jump in there, I'm sure the dogs would have backed off.
Maybe. There were a lot of kids there. Only 1 or 2 men, including my friend Jim who is not doing so well today. By the time he got to where he could get in, the boy was gone. You may have stayed with your own or got them out of there. Like I said, hindsight is 20/20. People virtually laid on the mom so she couldn't.
I don't think you are in the minority either. I think everyone's instinct would be to go in, if you were able to.
Agree with this. It also wouldve took attention away from the still kid and to the moving object (parent or other adult). Yes the parent may have died, but it wouldve allowed enough time for personell to come in and get the child to safety. Its sort of like those stories of people gaining strength and willpower at extreme times due to adrenaline and other emotions. I find it hard to believe multiple people were being restrained at the same time and not one of them was shocked enough to power through any restraint. Yes, hindsight is 20/20 but if the kid fell into the pit in a split second, then an adult couldve just as easily jumped in the next split second. They didnt have to go in some other way.
I also dont like society of people blaming others for their own mistakes. Unfortunately, this is on the parents, not the zoos and the amount of endangered dogs they have.
Regardless, prayers go out to the family and friends. This is one of the saddest stories in awhile.
This post was edited by tmaluchnik 17 months ago
"Whoever’s trying to kill me isn’t getting the job done. But one day, I’m going to punch that f___r in the face."
I just ask for prayers and positive thoughts, thanks.
Look, I'm a cop and the blame game is not the way to go with this situation. Mistakes and accidents happen. How many times do u go to a zoo and see kids on parents shoulders, or parents holding kids up to be able to see over railings. Heck, how many people throw their kids up in the air and catch them just to play a game with them? Life is this fragile, one second you're in control, the next you realize you have no control.
The mother does not deserve jail, her kid just got mauled in front of her very own eyes as she stood by helpless. I guarantee that she is blaming herself. Was it negligent, probably, but how many times are the rest of us negligent and the outcome isn't this horrific.
One kid in my area was having a pillow fight with his parents, went to wind up the pillow and the kid fell backwards off of the bed and broke his neck. Just like that their lives changed. Because a kid fell off balance from swinging a pillow. Dad still blames himself to this day.
My thoughts and prayers go out to this family.
Exactly. When I was a lifeguard, back in the day before seat belts were mandatory, I remember the story of a beautiful, sweet, little girl who use to swim at my pool. One day her sister took her for a ride in the car, driving about 20 miles/hr, stopped abruptly at a stop sign, and the young child fell off of the seat, broke her neck and died. Happened that fast. Seat belts weren't even in the car. There wasn't a crash. It was a fluky tragedy. Although we like to think that somehow, we could be faster, stronger, more responsive, and would never take the risk...the truth is, you just don't know until you are in the situation. Thank God each one of us who has done many stupid things over time have not paid the price paid here.
As mentioned above, life IS fragile. I hope that there will be lessons from this particular tragedy...as it is a heart-breaking loss. Prayers for the parents, family and friends, especially the mother who will forever carry this with her. Prayers for the child, may he rest in peace.
This post was edited by PHD77 17 months ago
I think this post says it very well.
I hope no one here said the mom deserves jail time thats absurd.
Someone did, but it's okay that they did because this is an event that sparks emotion and outrage. The desire of justice is great and natural, you want people to have that. But after seeing the things I've seen and working my job as a cop, you realize that in some situations, there is no justice. We live in a broken world and life is fragile.
First of all, I would hope that everyone does pray for the family regardless of their feelings on the subject. That said Common sense isn't very common anymore.
Why should we have to go to class if we came here to play FOOTBALL, we ain't come to play SCHOOL, classes are POINTLESS
There's a difference between true negligence and an accident.
True negligence was a mother that left her two year old and three year old in a hot car on a 98 degree day this past summer, and I had to break the car window and watch as rescue repeatedly give those children CPR. In that situation, the mother showed no regard for her children's safety or care. She was inside the mini mart flirting with her boyfriend to top it all off.
This mother was simply trying to raise her kid up to see an exhibit at the zoo. It's not like she raised him up, left him on the platform, and walked away. The kid slipped and fell out of her grasp. This mother cared for her kids safety, she didn't intentionally put him in harms way and look the other way.
It's not that easy and that black and white man. I hope to God you never end up in a situation like this.
Also, negligence is also defined by law as carelessness. The mother was probably being careful but being careful doesn't mean you are in control. This is a lesson for everyone. Like I said before, as much as we like to believe it, we are not in control, and life is fragile. This is a tragedy, not an act of negligence.
This post was edited by NitLionsGo 17 months ago
Robin, from Haward Stern Show, just mentioned this story during her end of the show news.
This thread is for positive thoughts and prayers for this family.
If you feel you can't act appropriately I beg you to refrain from commenting.
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Prayers go out to the family. Can not imagine their pain and loss, special prayers for the mother. Wow to those who jump to judgement, this a horrible accident and will affect this family for the rest of their lives.
This breaks my heart. I have a son who is going to be two this coming March, and losing him, especially in such a brutal manner, would end my world. I feel awful for the poor family and especially the little boy who had his life cut short.
An update on the family for those of you interested. My wife went over to see them tonight since it has been a sh^^storm of media and police coming and going. She spoke to her sister in law and the mom is not well at all. She is laying in the middle of the floor with all of her son's stuff around her. She will not get up and is unwilling to take any meds. Won't eat or drink and is blaming herself of course. Such a sad, sad day. All I can say is to continue praying for them.
Thank you, drken. Continued prayers going their way.
They are in my prayers! Thank you, drken, for providing the human side to this tragedy. My heart breaks for the family...
I am also..your post is right on..You just dont know, and by some of the responses some never will understand. We like other professions watch life cant dramatically in literally ONE second. My prayers are with the family Darken 22..Stay safe NitLionsGo and to all of you PSU guys hug tight those little ones everyday!!
The zoo is literally a couple blocks from my apartment and this is such saddening news.
Thoughts and prayers for that family.
"... being careful doesn't mean you are in control. This is a lesson for everyone. Like I said before, as much as we like to believe it, we are not in control, and life is fragile."
Very strong words my friend.
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