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What a terrible first week showing by the big ten. Watching Michigan getting manhandled by Alabama is very telling on how the conference doesn't measure up. Michigan is one of the more talented teams in the big ten, and Alabama is mopping the floor with them. This is Michigan's toughest game of the season easily, but for Alabama it's probably there 5th toughest (didn't look at there schedule). UW and Iowa play no one as usual for there non-conference, and each team barely won there game today. They'll more than likely finish with a bloated overrated record, since they don't play anyone. More than likely a bowl loss will end there season. MSU at least played Boise State. However, Boise State's schedule is weak, and MSU barely won. OSU will easily beat big ten opponents, but struggle against teams from real conferences. I wonder if the NCAA realizes what a bad Penn State team means to the Big Ten. A bad Penn State team hurts the credibility of the Big Ten, and weakens the schedule. It destroys teams like UW, Iowa, and MSU since they don't play anyone non-conference. It allows the Big Ten to be a two team horse between OSU and Michigan, with the winner of that race not stacking up against the average SEC team. We saw how Michigan is stacking up with Alabama.
Don't disagree with anything you said but screw the Big 10.
Meyer4Prez "This is wut happens when ur team site analyst are huge homers glad Bill K+Alex G keep it real instead of getting our hopes up."
Oh you people...
I'm not saying screw the big ten. They didn't back us at all, but they have reasons for that. I'm not sure they understand what another bad team does to the conference overall.
On thing from the game. It's apparent that we'll miss Redd and Brown. The cupboard is thin on playmakers. I hate what Paterno did to this team. He is no hero to me.
Nah you don't have an agenda...
So you are saying Alabama is an "average" SEC team???? You lost any credibility you may have had with that statement....
Honestly, Wisconsin and Iowa barely beating a directional team may actually hurt worse than Michigan's loss...I don't think any rational person thought Michigan would lose by less than 21.....
Notice, I didn't mention your loss to Ohio U.....I don't think with the hand y'all have been dealt that we should expect the PSU we all knew for at least 5 years....
What do you mean, you people?
This post was edited by NittanyEagles 19 months ago
Wtf did Paterno do to this team? It's not his fault two of PSU's best playmakers on offense quit and ditched their own teammates. Btw PSU was 8-1 last year when he was fired............. Now to get back on topic, I am personally rooting for the Big Ten to fall flat on its face. The only two teams that looked good this week are OSU and Nebraska.
I think he means "white people."
The B1G is not a great football conference.
OSU and UM fans always make me laugh when they talk about why the B1G is the best. Its extremely overrated, and has been for quite a while now. As a conference the B1G hasn't been able to keep up with the other power conferences. For every Wisconsin Rose Bowl winning team, there's two or three losing B1G teams that are exposed by teams who throw the ball more than 25 times a game.
Why should we have to go to class if we came here to play FOOTBALL, we ain't come to play SCHOOL, classes are POINTLESS
People are allowed to hate the big ten. You don't have to go all sneakypete on everyone who doesn't like the conference.
Big Ten and SEC ere the only conferences to beat a top 25 OOC team and yet the Big Ten sucks? 10-2 ith a top 25 win is a good weekend. Stanford on in a 'thank God' game against San Jose, Oklahmoa is playing for it's life agains a hpaless UTEP team, Boling Green Scared Florida... It's early, but OSU, MSU and Wisconson are right up there.
This post was edited by psujmc1992 19 months ago
“We need to keep this (expletive) together,” Mauti and Zordich to Hill
There appears to be a semblance of sanity on these boards..
You mean the same Wisconsin that barely beat Northern Iowa today? And MSU that barely beat a Boise State that has a brand new front seven on D, and a brand new QB and HB?
Lots of context today following our early loss. Iowa had to come back late to beat an NIU team that is not as good as Ohio. Wiscy BARELY beat an FCS team. Illinois didn't exactly handle another MAC team. NW struggled with a bad Syracuse team. I will say though, that Braxton Miller and Taylor Martinez looked very good. Those games could be ugly.
If we can get some things worked out over the next three weeks, we can win some B1G games. Have to figure out the running game first and foremost. Will make a big difference.
“We’re doing things we couldn’t imagine,” says safety Stephen Obeng-Agyapong. “But we’re doing them together.”
And you don't?
Big ten treated us like crap since 1994. I am rooting against everyone in big ten exxcept wildcats.
Not to the point where he posted the sme thing about Joe in 3+ threaads within a 20 minute window of time.
When Denard Robinson runs roughshod over this DEFENSELESS conference, the media will be all over him for the Heisman chase. The one thing I like about Mark Dantonio at Michigan State is he's improving his defense little by little. Defense wins championships, as PSU proved in 2005 and 2008. Ohio State always had the athletes to either win the conference outright or Co-win it with PSU those two years.
Wisconsin will play either Michigan or Michigan State again for the trophy, IMHO.
I posted something similar in another thread. I think the big10 has always been way overrated. Look at the bowl records of ohio state and michigan. They get their ass kicked almost anytime they play a really good team like usc in the rose bowl. This is throughout their history, not just how the sec has recently dominated.
I'm not sure if it was Paterno getting old or PSU becoming just another big10 team and settling into this mediocre conference, but we have been far from the country's elite programs since the early/mid 90's.
Always is a long time......
No doubt the SEC is a better conference than the Big10 right now. I don't see either the PAC or the Big12 being any better than the Big10 over the past decade, and in fact I feel both have been weaker - with the exception of about 2 or 3 teams, neither of those conferences play anything that can be remotely confused with a defense.
Concerning Big10 vs SEC play - in bowl games the Big10 has played them to almost .500 over the past decade or so. It is important to remember that for the SEC team they are often home games (all of LSU's BCS title have been won at home for Pete's sake) and often the SEC team is a higher ranked or conference-finishing team. Still, the Big10 has managed to somewhat hold their own.
BTW - likewise with the results of the Rose Bowl prior to the BCS - the Big10 team often played either USC or UCLA, which provided essentially a home venue for them.
That said, Saturday did not look good for the Big10. Iowa's close win is not as bad as it appears - No. Ill. were the cahmps of the MAC last year at 11-3. The rest is pretty inexcusable. Wisky almost gets AppyStated. MichiganSparty survived against a Boise team that no one knows if they are any good (they seem to lack any playmakers beyond the RB position). Nebraska won convincingly but gave up too many points to a weak opponent. No one outside AnnArbor thought MichiganU woudl give Alabama a game; it just revealed that they lived a charmed life last season and are going to have to face reality this year - outside of Denard running they just don't have much. OSU looked great after the fist quarter but the opponent was suspect (better than last year's opener against a horrible Akron, but how much better?).
I wouldn't make too many judgements about the Big10 after one game, but there is definitely a reason to be concerned.
Concerning your loss to OhioU.........I would say there is no shame in losing to the class of the MAC, but we all know there is. Any loss to any non-BCS school is something that fans just can't accept. I have no answers for you guys - you've got a decent core of players, but as an OSU fan I can tell you after last year, talent doesn't trump turmoil. Hopefully the team will settle into O'Brien's system, put everything behind them, and you can find some playmakers. I just want to let you know that this Buckeye is pulling for you. Prior to this year I would have been rooting mostly for OhioU, but after the crap this nation has put you guys through over the last 10 months I'm becoming more of a PSU fan than I was before - I was kinda hoping for a tie. Sure, some bad crap happened there, but it is the responsibility of a few and had nothing to do with football. The rest of the country decided someone had to pay and unfortunately instead of the guilty parties they decided to punish your football team and it's fans. I hope you guys pull through this quickly and beat every Big10 team except the Buckeyes.
At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought.
The middling teams of the big10 are about as good as the middling teams of other conferences. I was talking about the top teams. Look, USC is 24-8 in the rose bowl. Michigan is 8-12 and ohio st is 7-7. Thats not a good record over the years for the big 2.
In overall bowl games, ohio st is 20-23 and michigan is 20-21. Very mediocre outside the big 10.
Penn St is 17-9-2 pre big10 and 10-6 in the big 10 years. We also lost to Southern Cal, in typical big10 fashion, in 2009.
Any Penn State fan that's been around for a few years knows we haven't been close to what we used to be. This includes the 2005 and 2008 season. Again I'm not sure how much it has to do with being in the big10, Joe becoming old, PA high school footballs dropoff, or other factors but thats how it is.
I'm hoping after the sanctions, we can find that past dominance we used to enjoy.
Michigan State better show improvement for that to happen. Boise had no business keeping that as close as it did. No Martin, no Moore should have been no chance. I wasn't impressed with Sparty at all to be honest.
Big ten sucks, has been that way for about a decade.. However, the big ten is probably the best conference when comparing all sports together..
Are we really going to ignore the fact that the SEC teams sign 30 players a year? They play by different rules than everyone else, of course they will have better football teams. Top to bottom, the Big Ten is stronger than all of the other (non-SEC) conferences.
The Big Ten has been badly hurt the past 15 years due to PSU declining with Joe's increasing age and Lloyd Carr's perennial underachievement which led to the RichRod disaster that Michigan is still 2-3 years away from fixing. These staffs are now gone and things are likely to improve (well, at least for the school without Ted Roof). Hopefully Nebraska steps it up as well, although after the Callahan disaster they'll be afraid to make any aggressive moves.
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