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Minnesota fired Tubby today…what I would do to have the success they have had recently.
Question for those who follow the team more than I do…calling you out 28…How good can we be next year? Tourney good maybe?
Tourney? NIT Tourney, perhaps. Depends if any of the bigs step up. Our guards will be very solid with the big 3: Frazier, Newbill, and Marhsall
edit: I'm surprised Tubby was fired as I thought they had a nice showing in the tourney this year.
This post was edited by rummel49 13 months ago
We are going to be much better next year. A few things to note...
1) We get Frazier back
2) We will still have Newbill and Marshall and Newbill can now play his more natural position
3) For the first time in awhile, we have quality freshmen coming in.
4) We will not have to start a former 6th man from one of our DIII sat. campus teams.
5) The Pitt transfer will be eligible to play
The Big Ten was a beast this year... we just didn't have the players. Next year an NIT bid should be the baseline goal.
Didn't think Tubby would be gone after getting into the tourney. Penn State would need to make major strides at the 5 for them to think about post season play next year. One big needs to give them consistent minutes and become a presence down low. To go from two conference wins and a last place finish to the NCAA tourney in one season is a major ask.
The only saving grace is how strong the Big Ten is perceived to be, as the conference got seven teams in this year, with Minnesota and Illinois making it having 8-10 records (FWIW, Iowa was 9-9 and didn't get in due to a poor non-conference schedule).
NIT should be in play if everything comes together according to plan - Frazier coming back full strength, freshman come in providing depth and John Johnson is as good as advertised. Don't want to rule anything out this early, but I'd have a hard time saying Penn State is a tournament team this time next year.
I know you are trying to be realistic but the NIT should never be the baseline goal.
IMO, next year's team is going to be interesting. I think they will try to run a lineup of Frazier, Newbill, Marshall, Travis, and Taylor meaning that guard play is going to be huge. As a result, I think specific match ups are going to make for an up and down year. I see us having some success with certain teams and looking really good with a smaller lineup and good guard play, but also looking not so good against other teams, especially those with good post players. The good news is that most of the better post players from the BT are moving on I think.
One thing I like about next year's team is that good guard play can keep you in most games. Even if you are getting eaten alive in the post, it's possible to hang with some good teams when your scorers are playing well.
. I honestly cannot believe a program like Minnesota would do that. If they're going after Shaka/somebody else bigger, they better open up the check books AGAIN.
UCLA's makes a little more sense, because they have the pull to bring another great coach in, but Minnesota just fired the best coach they've ever had.
Why should we have to go to class if we came here to play FOOTBALL, we ain't come to play SCHOOL, classes are POINTLESS
Minnesota is actually a pretty good job to have as well because they're they only Division I team in the state, playing in a top conference. Also, Minnesota produces a number of high level Division I players each year, with no other team in the state a coach really has to keep them home and then go pluck talent from surrounding states. Obviously not as easy as it sounds on paper, but not having other local schools to compete with for talent is a pretty nice advantage if you ask me.
agreed. The team should be not be focused on anything but making the tourney. I think the key will be consistency in beating the teams we should beat or have a good chance of beating. We can't afford "bad" losses next year if they are to have a prayer of doing the impossible. We need to beat the bottom 3rd of the conference while at least splitting the middle of the pack teams. Hopefully stealing 1 or 2 from the better teams as well.
Personally, I don't see how we get to 20+ wins but it's going to be fun watching them try.
They are definitely going after Shaka. Everybody is going after Shaka. However, they may have an inside track as the AD and Pres are from VCU. Flip Saunders may be a good choice as well.
He was courted last time VCU went to the Final Four and he stayed. Something tells me Shaka is like the Butler coach and even Mark Few. Several chances to leave for bigger gigs, but stays.
Remember, Shaka turned down Illinois and Illinois is a better gig than Minnesota.
This post was edited by Hamilton Lion 13 months ago
Ya, got a feeling UCLA is going after Shaka.
you know what's funny about this point. I count 20 recruits that Smith brought in since 2008 and only 3 were from MN.
We're going undefeated next year!
"DOMINATE the state" - James Franklin 1/11/14
Agreed, plus they have some basketball history and tradition.
I hear ya... I probably should have said that the baseline projection should be the NIT, not the goal. The players' goal should always be to win every game.
From what I've read on this board lately, people are a lot more optimistic about next year than I am. I think we're going to see a slow start to the season from Frazier next year, but I really like the competition in the BCC. St. John's pretty much has their whole team returning, but they weren't real great this year. GT is a winnable game and Ole Miss has significant senior losses. All three teams provide the team a good level of competition, but still winnable games. I think next year will be a really good year for Newbill. The pressure to handle the ball is off of him, but I think the experience this year will pay dividends next year. Marshall's numbers should fall with the addition of Frazier and Johnson to the rotation. I really hope Johnson can be the shooter that people say he is. That's one of the two real deficiencies on this team right now: a real shooter and an interior presence.
The guard play should be good, but the 5 is going to be a real issue. Travis is a decent 4 for the Chambers' system, as he's good for double digit rebounds, but if we're relying on Graham and Ackerman to try to play the 5 it's going to be a long season. The real X-factor will be the development of Taylor. Before Sasa had his breakout, Taylor might have been the best on the team at backing a defender down. The problem is that is where his interior presence ended. For his height he needs to get more rebounds and be a little more physical. Hopefully his interior play improves and PSU can excel with a small lineup.
All things considered, the team will be much better next year. The games will feel and be more competitive, but I'm still worried about the teams ability to finish at the end of games. There's leaders on this team, but the only player that really has any experience winning is Frazier, when the team last made the tourney. Until the very end of the season, PSU really struggled to close out games and that could be a problem next year. I'd like to see Newbill get his free shooting percentage up about 4 points. Getting to .500 in conference play should be the goal for the season, not that I see that happening as of right now. I'd say they're looking at 6-7 wins in conference right now, but not being the pushover they were this season.
I really wish we had two more years of Frazier. I haven't mentioned the freshman yet, because I don't really think we'll see a huge influence from them next year. I think Banks will get some time, but I'm not expecting a whole lot. The two guards will see limited time with the glut of players at the position. The real wildcard is how Moore plays when he steps on campus. How Chambers approaches the 5 and just the fifth starter in general will be the story line of the season.
“We need to keep this (expletive) together,” Mauti and Zordich to Hill
The issue with Minnesota is that they do not have a lot of resources especially their basketball program. They need an updated practice facility, etc. I saw somewhere that they were going out to their alumni base to raise Tubby's 2.5 million buyout to fire him.
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