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I'm not sure if he is contractually prevented from acknowledging JoePa or what, but the only real chink in BOB's performance this year, and particularly this week, has been his refusal to acknowledge that JoePa recruited and raised this warrior senior class to be the men that they became.
Additionally, JoePa recruited and coached the men who raised two of this team's best leaders (Mauti and Zordich). Those two guys are two of the best examples that proved the greatness of what JoePa was trying to do - raise players who would become great fathers and men in their community. Whatever JoePa did with the fathers of these two young men worked! I just don't understand the downside in BoB acknowledging that with a simple comment or two. Golden opportunity missed yesterday IMO.
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Agreed. I love BOB but wish he would mention joe a little more often.
The no mentioning of Joe anymore is clearly from on high. But the traitors who set forth the edict don't realize how beloved Joe still is. Their plan to whitewash him from Penn Staters memories is not going to work. I'd love BOB to mention Joe, but I realize you can't openly disobey the men paying you millions of dollars.
"A lion does not concern himself with the opinions of the sheep"- Glenn Carson
Or maybe we all should be acknowledging that this staff got more out of these kids then joe and the former staff ever would have. Love joe but this was a new offense with new players stepping up that never did under the old staff. Mcgloin would back up my statement
BOB has mentioned Joe a few times, but I don't really want the new coach to worry about the old coach that much... Now, I would love it if the BoT, Erickson, and Joyner would grow some balls and honor Joe at one of the games, but I don't expect BOB to do it. He has enough on his plate already.
While I agree that JoePa and the old staff should get credit for recruiting some of these players and for developing guys like Mauti and Zordich, there's no way a JoePa coached team wins 8 games this year considering the staff that was there. Also, the staff left some serious deficiencies in certain areas.
Dominate The State
I agree with the comments that BOB and his staff probably got more out of the talent on this team than Joe and his staff would have, but without the way Joe brought these guys up there would not have been much of a team left for BOB to coach at all because the whole thing could have easily fallen apart. BOB did a great job when he came in to help hold it together, as did the players, of course. My point is simply that there is a lot of credit to go around, and Joe deserves some of it. As my parents always told me, it doesn't cost anything to say thank you (although in BOB's contractual case that adage may not actually hold true).
'Good grief' is right.
“We’re doing things we couldn’t imagine,” says safety Stephen Obeng-Agyapong. “But we’re doing them together.”
cause thats what penn state needs, another reason for the media to talk about joe and the sanctions
You act as if joe raised these players... The players parents deserve the credit for raising good kids who are leaders.
Bob doesn't need to say anything about the old staff and he shouldn't.
I think we should just grateful for the two of them
“If you remember me, then I don't care if everyone else forgets.” ― Haruki Murakami
Paterno hadn't recruited anybody in years. He could thank Vanderlinden and Johnson because they along with Bradley did most of the recruiting. And thank Fitzgerald and Mac for beefing up the O line and making them into a cohesive unit. Paterno was once a very good coach who stayed too long.
Coach O paid his respects to JoePa when he came to town. Coach O can thank himself for the 2012 season. He made it happen. Some thoughts from today's Hbg paper...
McGloin - “Coach O’Brien and [quarterback’s] Coach [Charlie] Fisher have done a great job of showing me how to play quarterback the correct way,” he said. “They have so much experience that it can’t help but rub off on you.” (McGloin ended up setting school records for passing yardage in a season and touchdown passes in a career).
Breneman - “Coach O’Brien is pretty much holding this whole university together,” Breneman said. “If he were to leave the flood gates would open and everyone would leave. He’s holding everything together, these players and the recruiting class. I know these guys would run through a brick wall for this guy, and I know would.”
Penn State linebacker Michael Mauti said O’Brien’s game preparation sets him apart. “He spends 18 hours per day in the building and that’s pretty good,” Mauti said. “Just the motivation, that’s been there since Day 1.”
Skorupan (LB from seventies) - “[O’Brien] is a blend of intensity, confidence and a lot of energy,” Skorupan said. “Not to take any away from Coach Paterno and his staff, but I think that over the years a lot of those guys who had been there for a long time some of that energy had faded away."
My thoughts - it is not mutually exclusive to admire and respect Coach O AND JoePa. Praising one does not detract from the other. It is not a zero sum game where one has to be diminished in order to recognize the achievement of the other.
I think Coach O'Brien has made his remarks regarding everything JVP did for PSU. This is his team now and there is no need to look back everytime something good happens and re-thank Joe and the old staff. I will always be one of JVP's biggest supporters but he has been recognized by O'Brien and he is right in moving forward. The university and administration needs to do some additional things to make amends but I think we may be holding our breath for some time before that happens.
"I tell guys, 'Would you rather go to a Volkswagen dealership to get a Cadillac, or do you go to Cadillac?' "
-- LJ, Sr.
Agree with Skorupan.
"You have to perform at a consistently higher level than others. That's the mark of a true professional." JVP
Most PSU fans, are fans because of Joe he made PSU what it is.
I agree, JoePa built PSU football and for that he deserves alot more recognition than he's getting however IMO that should be done by the administration not BOB.
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Suspect Skourpan verbalized what some former players thought but would not say. I realize there is a contingent that supports without reservation and always will but others realize that the staff and their cumulative years together was no longer a positive. It represented a stale and safe environment, well compensated and not strongly responsible for performance results the longer it continued. The fact that they did a lot of remarkable things years ago didn't appear to transfer to their current performance requirements.
O'Brien effusively praised Joe when he arrived. I believe it was sincere and still would be if the subject surfaced in a PC or other public venue but it hasn't. Whether he is muzzled or not is up for debate. I don't think you muzzle O'Brien too much as Witvoet discovered when he made a fool of himself defending the "honor of big 10 officials" through his misunderstanding of O'Brien and the Witvoet bias/senility we have observed for years.
Joe will always be a big part of Penn State and that can't be erased even if some desired it to be. Because it isn't repeated daily doesn't mean that it has been forgotten and if it was it would appear to be an obsession about a person which is what we are accused of in some quarters.
Dumbest post of the year. Thank him for what??? Even if Joe went out without the scandal, BOB isn't the one to be doing the thanking.
Sums up how I feel, and I agree with a lot of the sentiments in this thread. On one hand, Joe did so many great things - obviously - to build this program up, both on and off the field. But let's just be upfront and honest here.... he stayed on way too long, and in the last years, did zero recruiting. He also kept coaches on the staff that simply didn't have the drive or the skills (skill & will) to be consistently successful. We did not develop players in certain positions and we weren't innovative. O'Brien and his staff are light years ahead of the old staff.
BS. There are half a million people who are fans because they're alumni and they love their school and the kids that represent it.
“We need to keep this (expletive) together,” Mauti and Zordich to Hill
OB mentioned Joe when he was talking about the seniors in his Tuesday PC. If you read Penn State's version of the transcript, they probably edited it out. The university is afraid to mention Joe's name but OB has mentioned Joe.
This. Give me a break. Growing up in PA, who am I going to root for?
You guys do know that there were several hall of fame coaches before Paterno, right? He simply kept going what Rip and the guys before him started. Joe was great, but let's not act like he built this program from a pile of sticks. It already had a pretty damn good base.
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Coach O'Brien meets with the media to preview Senior Day clash vs. Wisconsin
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