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BOB also says we will play this year at 64 schollies probably...any chance we can start the clock early on 65 limit?
Derek Levarse @TLdlevarse 1m O'Brien referenced that the team is down to 67 scholarship players. But three of them -- Royer, Graham and Stanko -- are not playing.
This post was edited by Nittny65 12 months ago
Alright... so 64 scholarships... Stanko, Bench... take away the walk-ons... is there anyone else?
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Seen it mentioned twice now, did I miss an announcement of stanko leaving?
Those 3 ships count towards our total though. Good ole ncaa
I don't think that's been clarified though.....they are scholarships but not sure if they count to the 65, all speculation and interpretation at this point.
We don't know that. A lot of people believe that isn't true.
So hypothetical question here...
Say we somehow aren't below the magic 65 number starting next year...what happens? What will the big bad NCAA do?
This was discussed last year. Pretty sure they don't count, as they are not listed on te roster... Various people last year confirmed this. Now the media wants to flip the script and say that he counts against the number? Not buying
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If PSU doesn't follow the consent decree, the NCAA can levy further sanctions.
Just going off of BOBs quote from today it seems like they all still count even though they are not on the roster.
That "quote"/tweet is vague. I read it as, we have 67 scholly players, with 3 not playing (so we really have 64) aka, the three not playing don't count, because only the active scholly players on the roster count against the limit...
Yeah I hope your right! Seems like there should be a cut off date like there is with the transfers if they do count.
Its my understanding that if you stay at psu but not play football, you keep the scholarship and it counts against the allotment.
I am not 100% but that is how i interpretted it.
So Evan hailes counts? Doubt it
No, he has a medical hardship scholarship. Different.
Just have a hard time believing that they are goigtk count guys not on the roster...
Dude we were given essentially 5 semesters of free agency.
Nothing about the sanctions makes a lick of sense and you are trying to use the sense theory with the scholarship
Correct. They have a doctor examine and sign off on the injury as well as the player signing documents to transfer it from a athletic scholarship to a medical hardship waiver. They do not count against a roster, and is a completely different prospect.
A better example to look at would be Ditto a couple of years back. He left with no medical hardship waiver, I believe. He stayed at school, and I believe, did not have to pay for it. I don't know how long he stayed however. But something worth looking in on.
FWIW I had us at 67 scholarships this year without Royer or Graham included (Stanko was on that list). Is it possible that Laverse assumed that the 64 number meant those three guys but BOB was talking about 2 more players he knows might be leaving after their chat....BOB has been telling recruits that there are 15 scholarships this year. If you don't count Zayd (and I have heard nothing official yet) and we lose 3 to get down to 64 then that is 15 scholarships to give next yr....makes a little more sense how he could take an extra WR and is still recruiting lots of DB's...
I don't know how the guys that leave the team count, no one I might actually believe has answered that question, but if you look at the NCAA website the wording is in the same section as the transferring players which would indicate to me they are treated the same way. Further, while everyone likes to say the sanctions make no sense, it is clear from the way they staggered the 56 and 15 that they wanted to give PSU a chance to stay at 65. IIRC there was even comments from the NCAA that going below that would put athletes at risk. Putting a clause in that would allow PSU to potentially lose an untold number of scholarships if half the team quit football in addition to the penalties just plain makes no sense at all. AS ass backwards as the process was, it is clear that there was some thought that went into how this would effect numbers over the 5 yrs.
OB said as much today, guys who were on FB scholarship and not on the roster do count against their numbers.
You can not believe it all you want. I knew I read it after the sanctions were announced.
Step back for a second and look at the alternative.
If the NCAA said that kids who left the football team wouldn't count, then there would be a huge incentive to run kids off the team to free up scholarships. To prevent that from happening, the NCAA basically has to make all the ships count. You may not like the rule but there is reason behind it.
This post was edited by UncleLar 12 months ago
I would say just the opposite...
Putting in a clause that would free up scholarships if Penn State ran kids off the team makes no sense at all.
So, if I have this correct, any current freshman or sophomore (as of Jan-Apr time frame) that quits will lower the 65 limit when it kicks in. Freshman would lower it for year's 1 and 2 of the limit (2014 & 2015) whereas current sophomores (again, as of Jan-Apr) would lower it for just year 1 (2014). So it's really those 2 classes that could leave us vulnerable. Anyone else leaving we could replace their scholly. This assumes the player leaving would graduate in 4 years.
I had to add a new line now... see line 59 of the link
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