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That's my point. It's like the profits are up, so lets not do anything... Sheer laziness. They don't even appear to be talking about adjusting... Let alone making actual steps to actually adjust... That's my only beef here... It's going well, so lets just do nothing and keep doing it that way... Even when there are 15,000 empty seats... Just sick of seeing people in charge of PSU just keep with the status quo, when it can clearly be improved. That's their job... Improve it, adjust it, make it better.
WE ARE! And we will always be...
Understand man. And agree. But isn't there a way to try to do both? Wouldn't it be nice to read that they have at least discussed improving it? They just seem to be happy with having 15,000 empty seats... Maybe there is a way to have your cake and eat it too... They don't even appear to be concerned or even talking about making improvements... Let alone actually taking steps (No pun intended) to improve it.
I admitted from the get-go I didn't know the numbers and used only conditional statements dependent on the numbers.
As for the getting sales and profits up, that's why I said they might have the right idea, but need to adjust the price point on some of the ticket areas so that they can maximize profits. There were always going to be speed bumps. Pricing something correctly the first time is nearly impossible. But I believe they reported a huge increase in profits, and if that is correct, they are onto something and just need to tweak it.
I'm sure there are some facts out there (but it's tough to gauge if the profits aren't completely in since the program is new). If someone else wants to do the legwork, then we can take a more critical look at it. If not, then we'll leave it as it's impossible to say STEP isn't working.
Agreed. It's impossible to say whether it's working or not... I mean if profits are up, and seats are empty, that can probably be improved or tweaked, just as you said... And would be a win from the profits standpoint (and yes MTayl, I know that profits are the most important thing). But I just think that 15,000 empties is a pretty big failure on some level... I think we agree more than we think lol I am not disagreeing with anything that you are saying. My problem is their unwillingness to tweak it- at all... All these people speaking out, and it has no effect... MTayl's recommendation to lower prices close to game time is actually pretty darn smart. And the idea that the prices should be adjusted according to seat location is smart too... I mean if we can come up with these suggestions on a message board, how can people who's job it is to maximize this program still not even discuss ways to improve it? Just frustrating and I'm seeing it as another example of how people who run PSU are inept.
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All too true. I've been quietly telling myself this is going to play out in a really bad way over the next few years but I''m in denial about it. My profession makes me a realist. This is happening throughout the sports world and will continue even if the "economy" picks up. Sports is an escape that has a marginal cost point at which people find better things to do with their money. Especially if they can get it free in another form. For those of you in central PA you can laugh at this. But the farther out you get, the more difficult the time and money investment will get. Combine that with an inferior product and you have the perfect storm of declining attendance and the spiral begins. The Powers That Be will end up killing the goose and not only will it affect the athletic dept, but donations from alums which will hit the university in general in the wallet. The local merchants will see the hit all the way to folks who run message boards. Indeed the effects of the "scandal" are only beginning.
I think the Step concept is ok but PSU has messed up how to implement it. Look where all the empty seats are. In the middle of the E and W stands in the upper third. The contribution amount for those seats is 600 per seat per year. Look around to the endzones and except for areas that are allocated to opposing teams those are full. They have just mispriced those seats. They really are not great seats. I will be shocked if they don't alter the pricing on those sections next year. Perhaps those are $300 per seat contributions. But no one wants to pay that much to sit 70 rows up.
I also seriously question the idea of adjusting the ticket price for the club contribution for unsold seats. I understand why they are doing it. They don't want to undermine season ticket sales. But once the fix the above noted issue they should price all remaining seats much lower.
Yeah, before this thread, I had no idea that the nose-bleeds were that much. That's just stupid... I agree wholeheartedly. The implementation is very poor. And they don't appear to be interested in doing anything about it... That's my main beef with STEP.
I see a lot of talk about money, blah, blah, blah....what about Bob's main weapon against Bowl Games.....the "we play in front of 110,000 people a week"?
Penn State will always find the money. In fact they would still be tripping over it if they only got 85,000 per weekend. However, other schools are going to be able to look at Penn State recruits and say, "Yes, playing in front of 110,000 people is better than playing in some bowl game, but they aren't getting 110,000, they are getting 85,000. And if you have seen 85, 000 in that stadium it looks like a Pitt Game."
There is a way to do both, but the University is and SHOULD be worried about maximizinf profit first, attendance second. The money is much more important than how many show up. I'd love a packed house, but if people can't afford $150 a ticket it won't happen. Now can they adjust it? Maybe, maybe not. But if they are pulling in record profits, they have no reason to mess with it.
BOB is there to win games, because winning makes more money. If he starts losing he's fired (if the situation is right financially through these sanctions). If small crowds start showing up and it hurts recruiting which hurts the bottom line, they'll adjust. At this time, its not an issue. They need to make money, period. Every other sport depends on it. They shouldn't make any other changes to get them less cash, that's stupid business.
As a fan, can that suck? Yes. But that's the way it is, and should be.
If small crowds start to show up? I haven't seen that many empty seats in there in quite some time.
Its relative man. Dpends on the profit generated more than the flat number.
I agree with you almost totally, except that what Im talking about is making a change to keep cash constant and increase attendance... No one is saying sacrifice profit for more people in the seats.
Agree almost wholeheartedly. I think the reason to tweak it is that people are starting to notice and comment. There are way too many empties. I understand that you wait a little bit, see if it improves, are satisfied with the profits... But it's been happening for a couple years now (immediately after STEP was implemented, and a steady decrease according to the OP article). I think they can start to analyze and discuss possible solutions. I would be happy with just that... Just talking about ways to improve the attendance while keeping profits up... I just think that you can start the process now, after a few years of seeing attendance come down... BUT I get what you are saying and agree that at this time, profit is most important/it funds everything else/ we NEED those profits. Just want to make that clear.
MTayl has the correct point. Yes it's PROFITS, but only the FB team and maybe Men's BB are "profitable" in the sense that the cost of running these two sports teams is offset by the money (and TV money is the biggest source of revenue BTW) that the two sports bring in.
STEP was introduced to increase revenues from FB which funds all other varsity sports that can't cover their costs with sports team-related revenue generation.
The Athletic Dept. projected cost increases and devleoped STEP as a way to ensure that PSU could still afford the other varsity athletic teams that it administers.
Keep in mind that of all Div I Universities, a very small minority can boast of an Athletic Dept. like PSU that is completely self-sufficient. The VAST majority of D1 Universities must fund their Athletic Depts. with monies collect outside of Athletics, like Tuition!
Penn State's STEP bring the FB program into modernity with a lot of our University peers among B1G instutions as well as others.
STEP isn't the BIGGEST reason for lack of fannies in the seats. The current state of the economy is huge. And that was the #1 reason for the reduced attendance combined with STEP in 2011. The economy's lackluster rebound, together with STEP and the miasma surrounding the Sandusky scandal are now the 3 leading contributors for the further reduced attendance thus far this season.
October 12, 2013. PSU 43 - UM 40 (4 OT). Unfortunately this fan wasn't around long enough to see it!
Tim Curley to hell
STEP was Curley's baby. I'll take the doctor. If Curley wins his case, he can go back to being a Man Secretary like he was for Tarman for a decade.
I think lowering the price and getting people in the seats does more than just look good...the more people in the seats, the more memorabilia, food, and whatever else you sell. That number often goes overlooked.
Basically, to me, the problem is simple...step may have worked, if at a different time. They implement it during a recession and then just when you think it may survive, the sandusky shit drops...and the ball starts rolling down hill eventually leading to a few things:
1. People are pissed, I am one. I still have my tickets but have a really hard time digesting comments made about me and our culture by the Board of Trustees. And I know that while the team needs (and will get) my support, every penny I spend eases the Boards pain. Do I come...yes, not quite as much as i used to, but my seats are always filled.
2. Sanctions. It does take away from the importance of each game. Sure, we all want to win every game, but you cant deny that knowing we cant win a national championship let alone a Big Ten title will sway your marginal fair weather fan to just watch on TV.
3. Game atmosphere...sounds kind of ridiculous, but something is certainly missing on Saturday's in state college and more specifically Beaver Stadium. I miss a lot of the chants and traditions that have been changed. For example...i used to stand at the corner of Porter and Hastings and slap hands with players while the Blue bus practically ran over my foot....not anymore...damn things go like 50 down the road, the exhaust forming a middle finger telling me to get out of the ^%$*ing way
4. Prices for hotels, parking, and whatever else...when does it stop!
they are getting more money selling less tickets thanks to that new step program its bull shit...they get more money from people donating to get in line for tickets and buy them then selling the single game tickets cheaper,
Perhaps we can paint the seats blue? Seems to disguise a half empty stadium for Pitt games ...
"You have to perform at a consistently higher level than others. That's the mark of a true professional." JVP
STEP is the problem. PSU fans want to rally behind BOB and the team.......................but NOT so much at $140 per.
My goodness do we need better leadership!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is just not a PSU problem. Ticket sales are down across the country. The quality of television today is an issue for most sports programs and franchises. A family member of mine is an executive with the Columbus Blue Jackets and brought this point up to me a few years ago. He basically said it is getting tougher to sell tickets when fans can watch a game in HD at home on their couch and save tons of money while doing so.
That said, with everything that has happened at PSU the past year, the ticket prices do need to drop. They definitely need to get rid of the additional charge on single game tickets. I assume this is the issue with the empty seats at the top of the east side at the 40 or so yard line each game. I know the university needs the money, but I would think it is more important to fill the stadium the next couple of years to be more of an attraction for recruits. If not, it could take much longer for the football team and athletic department to recover.
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I will never go to another game if:
1. I do not have a parking pass, as general parking is $40.
2. I do not have a group to split the price of the parking, as general parking is $40.
Luckily, I've had free tickets and parking passes for first 3 games. Even though demand will be down, I think it will just continue to get harder to get free tickets as people are just going to stop buying season tickets, especially with the sanctions. If the sanctions were announced in January, we'd prob. see 15,000 less than we already see at the games.
"Whoever’s trying to kill me isn’t getting the job done. But one day, I’m going to punch that f___r in the face."
If you know you're going to the game a day or so ahead of time I thought you could buy a parking pass for $10?
I said that on FOS when STEPs was being introduced and the heat I took from the clique was hot. Not that they had a rebuttal to $40 dollar parking for last minute folk, or a steep increase in ticket cost in the face of a fierce recession.
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