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Attendance is down. Cost is a HUGE issue right now and it's insane how much buying off of ticketmaster is. Economic factors are there. University perception is there. The handling of the mess and the mess itself is there.
It's going to get ugly, no doubt. The biggest issue is how great a game I can watch on the TV - high def makes it amazing. There are some huge worries on filling that stadium - is it just too big?
yea - they have to do something and that means lowering ticket prices
i mean part of the ticket prices is paying for the product on the field and they need to make that adjustment
I think the economy is the biggest factor here. Not only are the tickets expensive, but you have to get food, use a lot of gas, get a parking pass, and possibly book a hotel. If you want to take your family to PSU for the weekend it could cost you upwards of $1000.
To quote that guy, "It's the economy stupid"
Hard to justify spending the money on an inferior product. HD Television has really made attending football games a tough call. Either go to the stadium and drop a ton of coin, or watch it at home with no lines for the bathroom and the ability to drink to your hearts content.
News flash... STEP doesnt work
WE ARE! And we will always be...
Didn't the university make it's biggest athletic profits by far last year?
Not really sure, but I'm sure it could have made more without STEP. Attendance is down and STEP is a big reason why
they have to realize they will have to adjust prices for next year -
I'm fairly confident the step profits blew the pre step profits out of the water. Could be wrong. If so, step is clearly working. They may have to adjust the price point on some seats to maximize profits, but you don't judge profits by how many seats are sold. Judge them in real dollars, which psu is coming out much better after step than before.
There are also other things going on that are proabbly cheaper. I know last weekend was Farm Aid in Hershey with Neil Young, Dave, Matthews, and Kenny Chesney among other things.
Now is the time for administration to make some kind of move that would seem University friendly.
Those people out there that talk about JVP and the "Football Culture" might soon realize that many people had their hands in that culture and got fed pretty nicley. Lot of folks gonna miss their piece of the pie if that stadium isn't filled 7 times a year.
It also throws out one of BOB's recruting tools abouit not needing a bowl because you will be playing in front of 110,000 fans every game.
But then again, the AD's past job was as a medical doctor, so I am sure he is totally aware of what to do. Maybe when Tim Curley wins his case he can get a job as a Brain Surgeon.
You still don't like seeing 10,000 empty seats. And I dont know if it was blow-away better. If it is, whats the harm in lowering the price a little bit so that you get more people at games?
This post was edited by rmj147 22 months ago
Haven't you heard? Profit is evil and we shouldn't care about money.
According to 50% of the people here college football isn't and shouldn't be about money.
Hahahaha. I am for paying the players a stipend and was met with hostility... Profit matters. But not having an empty 15,000 seats on national TV after our situation also matters. Public perception matters as far as recruiting and moving forward strongly. If you can fill more seats and keep profits high, that's a win win. You don't always have to sacrifice something to gain one of another. What are the actual numbers anyway? Anyone actually know, or are we just saying "they were a lot more"?
So if we sell 90k tickets to a game and UI sells out at 40k it doesn't matter because it doesn't look as nice on tv?
Yep, gotcha. Good sound logic there.
Are those the actual numbers? You have to use facts to back logic... Lets say we sell out and make more money... It's possible.
Not to mention if you want to spend a night in State College the hotels bleed you for every penny, making it massively expensive to do anything but day trips.
Add in that most people have a 4-6 hour drive round trip, and the traffic you have to sit in on 322 if you're leaving to the south, and how great the games look in HD (and you get replays at home, but not in the stadium!) and people can stay home to catch the game.
My wife and I both love going to the games and will continue to attend some games every year, but when you only have the weekend to get things done, it's a lot easier to spend 4 hours watching the game on TV and have the rest of the day to do things than it is to get up early and spend an entire day driving there and back.
Now add in the tickets costing even more money in a bad economy, an administration that placed the blame entirely on the football program and did not stand up for our University whatsoever, and you get a lag in attendance. What did they think would happen when they decided to blame the cash cow for all the problems after jacking up ticket prices? Those people on the BOT are supposed to be business "leaders"? No wonder our economy is in shambles.
It's like they completely disregarded everything they learned in Smeal. What they did is akin to Apple getting rid of the Iphone if Steve Jobs was accused of a cover up.
Here's some simple economics, let me stay at a hotel for a reasonable price and I'll spend more money in the town buying PSU gear, eating out, etc. When you jack up the prices people can't afford to go to the games or stay in the hotels and therefore spend less money in the town. And when the product on the field suffers thanks in part to our Administration sacrificing the football program, people have less incentive to spend their time and money on the product.
I feel bad for BOB, instead of taking over a sleeping giant of a program, our very own Administration has slain the giant in it's sleep.
This post was edited by rck127 22 months ago
The main problem is the cost of seats between the 40 yard lines above the railing. Very few are willing to shell out $600 per seat in that area above say row 50-ish, and honestly I don't blame them. That's probably 8-9000 of the 10000 missing seats right there.
Those are the biggest empty areas, and making those seats less cost prohibitive will perhaps entice people to want those seats.
I also think that it would be in the university's best interests to relax the required STEP donations for all ticket holders for the next few years or the problem could get a lot worse. We haven't really seen the effect that the sanctions are going to have on ticket sales for the next 4-6 years, since all tickets were bought and paid for before the sanctions went in. Going forward there may be an increasing number of people who feel that the $100/$400/$600 per seat donation is a lot to ask people to pay to watch what could end up being a one-legged man in an a** kicking contest for the next few years.
This post was edited by Theweeble 22 months ago
I think its between you two. I was pointing out pretty backwards logic by you though. It was an example more than anything. UI's stadium fits actually about 60k, but they never sell out. Even if they did, their ticket prices are much lower than ours.
Honestly, I think the biggest problem PSU seems to have is a rigid price on their tickets. Closer to game time they still want full list price, that's idiotic. Just bad business to take nothing instead of coming down.
Granted I could see them worried about people taking advantage of that, but that will have to be shown over time.
PSU should charge a premium for good seats near the center of the field and should require people buying single game tickets to pay the same per ticket price, STEP fees included, as people buying those same seats in a season ticket plan. But the seats in the E_U and W_U sections should be priced at a lower rate than the seats below the walkway. $600 is too much to sit in that area.
This post was edited by Cambria Nittany 22 months ago
I said profit matters in like my second sentence... I said that in our unique situation perception matters as well. The idea is to find a balance to where you can keep the profits high and lower the price to enable more packed seats... Obviously something needs to be adjusted to account for the empty 15,000 seats. I think that the STEP donations need to be adjusted to reflect current conditions... I also agree with you that they need to adjust prices when you get close to game time. That just doesn't make sense. Again though, what are the actual numbers? Their unwillingness to adjust is concerning to me... It isn't working, make it work. That doesn't mean that your eyes aren't consistently focused on profits the entire time. AGAIN, PROFITS MATTER. But adjust it, because it isnt working...
I don't think it's working... Despite the argument that profits are high. I think you can do both. And the goal should always be to get better. Not just rest on your laurels and say, "that's how we do things"... That old mindset needs to GTFO and is part of the way we got in this mess. No more sitting on their asses and saying look how good everything is. Strive to get better. I don't see anything wrong with that.
Hey, I wanted to take the family to the Ohio game and was told $140 per ticket. There were some for $110 that I could have taken. However when all said and done it would have probably been close to $600 for the day. I had the money but just couldn't stomach it.
But see, the profit does matter (which I get you agree) but it matters so much more than everything else. Its what funds EVERY other sport. Its how PSU is going to pay that big fine. It pays for all the extra travel we will have to do for recruiting now. It goes into the normal student body.
I get seeing those seats suck, and Idk the new numbers and it wasn't what I was addressing with that post, but that matters much less than the actual amount brought in. A lot less.
Facts? You made the initial bald statement that "STEP doesn't work" with your only basis coming from there being unsold tickets. You neglect to discuss profits, the goal of STEP. You also neglect to mention that we have no idea how ticket sales would be without STEP considering the turmoil with the team. Too many variables and lack of facts to make the initial assertion.
This post was edited by shavisimo2 22 months ago
Im sure thats pretty common 59
Probably is. I called on Thursday before the game, like Was stated earlier there needs to be some common sense in there to adjust the prices when required.
Very true. Neither of us used facts. Which is why I have asked if anyone knows the real numbers here... There are a lot of variables, and it is very complex. I don't know how much more profit there has been. I asked you, and I don't think you do either. I'm not attacking you. I just said that we need more info. But if you are right, and there are more profits, the goals of STEP would have been met. My point is, with our current situation, we need to adjust those goals. Maybe there is a way to get more people in the 15,000 empty seats without sacrificing profit. IMO it's just another example of the laziness of our administration. Sales are down, and have been down every year of step, according to some of the articles written that I have browsed beiefly. I am not claiming to be a STEP expert. Just saying that sales are down... And if you are right, and profits are up, let's work and get sales up too. Thats all Im saying man.
I don't think STEP works (not in terms of profit) but because of the marked decrease in season tickets right after it came into being, and the decrease thereafter- before the scandal... Profit is a huge part of it, but all Im saying is that it's not the only measure of success here. I would like to see them attack this and come up with something to get it done. I just see this as another example of people being comfortable with how things are going and not trying to make things better. But yes, too many factors to def say that STEP is the only problem. I was being vague and that's my bad. I acknowledge that man. You are right in that. But then the conversation got deeper and deeper, and all Im saying is that I don't know the facts, and no one is offering them. I don't feel like looking them up. But when someone does, it will be easier to talk about the particulars. But your point is well taken (if true- I don't know, and you asked the question yourself), if profits are up, STEP works for those purposes...
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