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Yeah right now it would be funny to take a large group to Olive Garden and get blitzed ha.
Champs, Damons, seem best bet right now as I didn't see them on the list. Basically nothing right in town though
Suck It Emmert!! and "Sorry for not being sorry for being a Penn Stater" - Philafan
Yeah, Chilis is off limits lol Want to take a date out after the Bon Jovi concert for a bit to eat? There are about only 1-2 restaurants where you can have a beer with your meal lol #USSR lol
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Seltz, If you get a chance could you post the listing, or a link to the establishments that will be closed.
You make yourself look stupid unnecessarily. Be upset about them being closed, but it is fact that they can all stay open if they so choose and serve alcohol without penalty or normal restriction.
Now the ones that would stay open would be at a higher risk for liability, and obviously we already know how things get destroyed that weekend from experience. Once some of them decided to close, others likely (they did in a few cases) feel pressure to also shut down or modify things. But again, their choice.
Apparently the possible monetary gains from being open arent enough to offset all that can go wrong.
Sigh. I guess the conversation that I just had with a GM and an owner makes me stupid lol I guess Erickson voluntarily signed the consent decree too lol Too funny.
Up to 38 total it seems now as 2 more must have jumped on board.
1. The Saloon
2. Inferno Brick Oven and Bar
3. bar bleu
4. The Hopshop Beer Market
5. The Deli Restaurant (serving food only)
6. Z Bar
7. The Lion's Den
8. The Shandygaff
9. The Tavern (serving food only)
10. The Gingerbread Man (serving food only)
11. The All-American Rathskeller
12. Spats Café and Speakeasy (serving food only)
13. The Phyrst
14. The Clover
15. Brewsky's Bottle Shop at The Day's Inn Penn State
16. Rotelli (serving food only)
18. Bill Pickle's Tap Room
20. Allen Street Grill (serving food only)
21. The Corner Room (serving food only)
24. Zeno's ToGo
25. Sharkey's Bar & Bottle Shop
26. The Brewery
27. The Darkhorse
28. Kildare's (serving food only)
30. Chili's Grill & Bar (serving food only)
31. Café 210 West (serving food only)
32. Mad Mex (serving food only)
33. Zola New World Bistro (serving food only)
34. The Atherton Hotel (serving food only)
35. The Dining Room at the Nittany Lion Inn
38. The Gardens
Apparently it does yes.
2 more added on to something that was mandatory right? So if it was mandatory wouldnt the number have already been set?
It was an agreement made, with the business owners included and with the decision on their own part. Like I said, you can be upset all you want, but it is not a mandatory thing. It is a collective thing. They (all that shut down) get a $5,000 subsidy as well.
Chrome isn't on the list. That place is already really small though.
They would easily make 4x as much staying open. It's all about keeping that vital liquor license which means not getting any groups particularly mad at you so you arn't targeted. The fact that it is a collective thing means any bars not participating will be singled out.
Not mandatory, but might as well be. I actually talked to the people involved in the "agreement", rather than reading an article that probably didn't interview any relevant business owner lol I saw one that interviewed the police... And included straight hearsay about what business owners had to say. I actually talked to them, so I guess we just got conflicting info. So, agree to disagree man. Go with the journalist though. We all know how great the media is nowadays.
And the $5,000 subsidy is the least they could do (after strong arming the businesses). But that's a whole separate issue. Rhetorical Q, where did that money come from? The borough and the LCB are a joke. And so is the idea that this was voluntary.
THIS! x100000 Finally, someone with an actual clue about what is really going on...
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Yes they will be targets, so to speak. Which is why I mentioned liability initially. The cost is becoming greater to stay open. Because the ones that did decide it wasnt worth it early started this ball rolling, and now others feel the pressure. To stay open a lot of that profit would be taken down by the extra labor that would need to be put into place(door men, bouncers, quality veteran bartenders capable of spotting things early before serving beyond what someone can handle.... or restrictions on how much to serve, again, liability. Still thier choice which was the point from the beginning.
All comes back to the initial years, and the destruction caused. Stupid kids that screwed it up for the 'now'. Wrecking the town initially is the cause for all of this. I dont like a lot of the solutions attempted, part or present either. But I see why the attempts are going to be made yearly having witnessed what some of that fun did.
Also interesting to note, that maybe quit announcing it so far in advance and quit having friends come up and visit. Statistic is that 2 of every 3 arrests are from people not living in State College at the time. The largest problem is the visitors that come in.
I don't think I've posted in months but i just have to say every time i see a picture of london the phrase"lol" comes to mind. Carry on.
I work for one......so consider yourself trumped in the 'rather than reading an article' crowd.
Well that's good. I used to work for 3 of them and still have great relationships with the owners/GMs. At least not every bar feels the same way apparently. But I've talked to representatives from 4-5 of them. Your business that you work for, is it moreso a bar or restaurant? That's another factor that I'm noticing.
Not going to lie, surprised that you actually have a background here, because I do and I am hearing the exact opposite. But your camp seems to be the minority opinion. Most of them feel strong armed into accepting this BS.
Thanks Seltz, looks like there will be about 5 places in town to grab a drink. I'm surprised they haven't gone as far as paying the distributors to close for the weekend.
Out of curiosity, what possible leverage could the county or borough have over the drinking establishments of State College? The bars and clubs of state college is basically a tax revenue mint. If an owner or manager is telling you that the borough is forcing them to close, then he or she is full of crap. State College isn't a big city. You piss off the entertainment industry, then you're screwed come budget time. The locality absolutely NEEDS that revenue to be flowing, and they won't do that by forcing them to do something they're not willing to do.
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I'm sorry - I didn't mean to stumble into an OT debate. Could someone please point me to the thread about anyone committing this weekend?
Go to a VIP thread. Not a thread some clown started to get free info
Strong armed is still not mandatory. Like I said from the very beginning, it is absolutely their choice. I acknowledged the pressure also as you should have been able to see, but that doesnt change the fact that the choice is there.
A 2 min cab ride gets you to a bar from the edge of town, less than a mile(approx .5 miles). If things were mandatory these establishments wouldnt be open. The problems you would have in forcing Kildaires to shut down while allowing Damons to serve booze should be obvious. In that regard there are laws to protect that type of unfair quality in business.
Ask an owner of a SC bar how valuable a liquor license is... And how much political pressure and influence the LCB and the borough has in its industry... SC is a unique animal in a unique state with strange alcohol laws. The LCB and the borough have become a pain in the ass for bar owners in town. Ask around to the people really involved in this, and you will have an answer.
I wouldnt be surprised to see if they tried in the future at all. Eventually, hopefully, some kind of middle ground is found. I cant go have a drink on the town if I want this weekend either and that sucks. I also see why they want it to stop, this 'holiday', or control it as much as possible as it likely cant be stopped.
Who is going to be the one bar that stands up and says no to the strong arm, when 35 others caved? Cmon man. I know now that you actually know what's going on. No one is going to be that one bar and get targeted and get citations to go towards losing their license. Those things are like rare gold nowadays (and the LCB/borough made it that way, they are really having a reign of terror on the industry).
In essence, I guess I just have a problem with how it all went down and from what my friends in the industry have told me, a good percentage of them aren't happy either. The wedge in the relationship with some bar owners and the LCB/borough just keeps getting bigger. Instead of working together to solve problems, strong arming seems to be the standard procedure. I just don't see it as really voluntary like you do. I understand what you are saying though. I just don't think it's right. Not to mention the fact that you literally can't have a beer with your meal Saturday afternoon. That's just ridiculous. A police state with regards to booze. I understand the concerns, I really do... But to quote Stan's dad, "Im sorry, I thought this was America."
Again, I understand the concerns, I really do... But this is just insane. Half of the problem is the hype that the holiday is getting- brought on by the LCB/borough's actions. I agree, it has become problematic, but I don't agree with strong arming businesses at all...
Also, I fully expect another holiday to come out of this, just like State Pattys arose after moving spring break to cover the real St. Pattys (there were too many problems on the real holiday, so they thought it would be clever to, in essence, get rid of that holiday too)... I don't think the borough/LCB/School will ever learn... Students will band together and find a way to celebrate. Especially Penn Staters.
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You just two up'd Seltz ...
By representative do you mean waiter, waitress, bartender? ... it's relevant.
I'm guessing Seltz is talking to owners and you are talking to bouncers or the bar maid.
If winning was easy even losers would do it.
No. Im talking to owners and GMs... Like I said.
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