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The bars did fight, and lost. I know that personally and for a fact. You have no clue what you are talking about here. WTH damages are you talking about. I am a former nightlife employee and know a lot of the bar owners personally. Most of them will tell you, "we want to, but we cant- the LCB wont let us, they will shut us down." Not that "we do not want to, because we are afraid our place will get trashed"... Ask anyone that works at a bar in town, or the bar owners themselves. The LCB has slowly but surely waged a war on bars in town. This is just one form of them over-policing. You should see the way the LCB is up every bars ass in the last 5-8 years... It's crazy. Idiots will always be around, and they are around during football weekends too. You should see what the LCB is doing on football weekends. Pain in the ass. All counterproductive policies that make no difference, whatsoever... Restrictive on local business and hurt them. Now you have a door guy (and 1-2 others) keeping strict count on occupancy with a clicker, instead of worrying about the behavior going on inside the bar. Occupancy is important, but not to that level. Not to where it takes away from policing behavior. Now that guy that has a clicker on the floor is not paying attention to those staggering and telling a bartender that cant see it, to not serve them anymore. Or see that the staggering person did not order a drink, his boy did, and now his boy is giving him a shot when he clearly doesnt need it. Instead of kicking out that whole group, they stay and 2 of the floor guys are worried about count. They stay and get hammered to the point that they are clearly a problem. THEN they get kicked out, and they are visibly intoxicated, they get arrested outside the bar, and the bar may get cited. Now you are having UNDERCOVER LCB agents come in and watch... Making it even worse. Do you have any idea how many things don't get caught the first time they happen, but eventually get addressed when working in a bar? So impractical and not realistic. They shut down a few bars in town for citations. Great... But they make it so hard to re-open them with LOCAL liquor license laws that make NO sense, that they are just sitting there closed... Why is that relevant? Because now, you have less bars, but a rising number of patrons... Say it with me... Overcrowding. All brought on by the good ole LCB and local politics. I could go on and on, but the point is clear. On this one, you're dead wrong. I dont mean to attack you, but this is something I have personal experience with.
All of the LCB's recent policies do not work, and all they do is make it harder on bars in town. There is still a jackass in the street getting kicked by a police horse. There are still people puking in the ally ways... Nothing has changed. The only result is that it is tougher on local business to cash in on a very very profitable day. The risk is not the idiots that would be in the bar drunk. They are handled rather easily. Believe me. They are not let in, in the first place, or they are cut off/tossed. From personal experience and as a personal friend of a few of the bar's managers and owners, the risk is going against the LCB's reign of terror and being shut down as a business. They have made it harder for bar owners/workers to do their jobs. This is something that I have personal experience with and you are not going to sit there and act like you know what you are talking about on this one. The LCB is why they are forced to close, not drunk people. They deal with drunk people for a living. Talk to anyone that works in a bar or state college or the owners or the managers. They want to make money. There are only a finite amounts of weekends and days to cash in majorly. You cash in and then save up, because the town goes dead for long periods. I guarantee you that if you ask ANYONE involved in the nightlife industry in state college, they will tell you that you are dead wrong here man. Not even close.
This post has been edited 6 times, most recently by rmj147 14 months ago
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You're simply dead wrong. My roommate works at one of these bars (and did last year as well) and said they closed down because they were absolutely blindsided a few years ago with how crazy State Patty's got when it first started.
He's had to clean shit in the middle of a hallway and yes, has had freaking sinks ripped off the wall, mirrors and windows broken the list goes on. The bars are not raising hell about this because the headache associated with the madness is just not worth it for them.
The freaking economy downtown is based upon drinking. They would love nothing more than to have everyone drink and get plastered and buy booze all weekend while counting money. But it's just not worth it anymore for bars to be open anymore because the extra security needed and all the other costs associated with property damage is just not worth the headache.
The problem is that idiots don't get that and decide to get drunk and screw up their own residences now when they "rebel." But that's not the bars' and businesses' problem anymore. But seriously I think it's gonna take another Joe Dado situation for people to realize just how fucking stupid this whole thing is.
But make no mistake, it's ALL about the money. It's ALWAYS about the money. And it has gotten so out of control that the sale of alcohol isn't worth it for bars anymore on State Patty's because it is that chaotic.
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I was there when State Pattys first started, worked in 3 bars during my time in SC (2 at the same time for more money) and know Joe Veltre personally (he is against it now BECAUSE HIS NAME IS BEHIND IT, but he started it- point is, I was there when it first started, the first year and worked in bars then and up until last year... Ive seen both the before and the after)... I also know the owners of 3 of the bars in town, personally... As in call them occasionally, go out with them and are friends w them... Try again. Your friend working in one of the bars for 2 years is Ok... But I am telling you, I know a lot more than him. I am 100% sure of that. One of my best friends manages a pretty popular one right now, and I just talked to him and he's pissed that he can't make money this weekend... Now granted, he's happy that he can go out and get hammered (you rarely get to do that when you work in "the industry"- especially on weekends. Sunday Fundays are key), but he would rather save up some cash while he can. Those weekends and days are limited... But Im sure that you did know that.
This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by rmj147 14 months ago
Where did u work rmj?
Why do you think he's against it now with his name behind it? Because its gotten too out of control for everyone involved.
Again, it's all about the $$$. And out-of-towers coming in, breaking things everywhere, damaging cars and property; has become too costly even for the immense spike in revenue downtown from alcohol sales.
It's about $$$ not drinking. And until these "rebels" and frats realize this it will only get worse until it's done away with entirely.
Either they realize this soon and stop inviting outsiders who trash the place (and quite frankly most likely enjoyed shitting on us for the past year and don't deserve to come here anyhow) - or someone ends up like Joe Dado and the whole thing really ends in a heartbeat.
Edit: Check your PM... i dont want my business out there like that...
This post was edited by rmj147 14 months ago
RIP to the kid, and don't mean to disrespect him, but that incident has done essentially nothing to curb student or underage drinking.
Somebody dying from alcohol poisoning on State Patty's would be brushed aside much the same way Dado was (God rest his soul).
Because he is being equated for when people act an ass. BUT IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME. If you were equated for every OSU weekend, people would view you that way. They shouldn't. He is not ashamed of it though. At all. I was there with him last year drinking (when he got off from Mad Mex). That's right, he was still drinking on the day he helped create. Again, you have no clue what you are talking about. I am his friend and you are trying to tell me what he's thinking, when you don't know him? Right... My goal was not to get personal and throw business out there, but that just happened I guess. Like I said, please stop while you are ahead. You have no clue what you are talking about on this one. I guess your friend could be of one opinion, but 99.9% of the other bar staff that I know and are personal friends with would disagree with him. And like I said, you only mentioned one person as your example... And I can give you about 10-15 that would totally disagree with him.
Edit: RIP Dado and no disrespect, but you think that a kid dying of alcohol poisoning or from acts done while VERY drunk should shut down all alcohol consumption? This isn't 1920. How many people die every year on the actual St. Pattys Day from alcohol poisoning/drunk behavior? Plenty. Does Philly no longer have Erin Express? Does Pittsburgh not block off the city and have a booze fest? NO. That whole thing just rubs me the wrong way. You cannot punish everyone because a kid cannot handle his booze. Like I said, sad what happened to Dado, but this isn't prohibition. We saw how that worked once before.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by rmj147 14 months ago
I don't condone idiocy...but how about they hire a couple more bouncers for the weekend and if somebody can't control themselves...give em the hook. Just something strange about the town declaring that there will be no alcohol that weekend/day.
Definitely the frats fault that State Patty's is dying. For sure.
Yep. They'd love to... But they can't... LCB shut it down. That is the point. And the point that RWC just doesnt seem to get...
Makes too much sense.
If bouncers/bartenders were doing their job properly people wouldn't be ripping things off of walls or popping a squat in the middle of a hallway. If kids are going apeshit, kick them out. Police would be waiting right outside to deal with them, and they would get what was coming to them.
Or if the LCB made it possible to actually do your job effectively without worrying about 100000 other dumb, pointless things, yes. Once you work in a bar in SC and know all the people there in them, you forget that not everyone did lol So much you guys just dont know...
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You know the State Patty's guy and that's all you know about the situation yet you think that makes you the go-to info guy about this and you're flat out wrong.
Congrats, he had a beer on State Patty's. Fuck me sideways with a lunchbox!
You think the LCB WANTS no alcohol sales on State Patty's? No! If the businesses wanted it, there would be alcohol sales. But it's not about that! It's about the $$$ from damages downtown. Which you don't seem to get. And it's not something that shooting the breeze with your boy at the bar is gonna get you to understand.
You think you're the only one friends with someone who owns a bar or restaurant downtown? I know 2 restaurant owners who would love nothing more than the sale of alcohol on State Patty's because news flash: drunks eat a lot. But he's against it because it's turned the corner from increased traffic from dumb drunks to straight destruction. It's not costs just brought upon bars, but a burden put on the entire downtown economy and restaurant segment that has to deal with this problem.
And Tex, no one said frats are to blame for it getting out of control. It's the fact that they are fighting the wrong battle. Trying to convince those in charge that they are out of touch with drinking and that they "can't stop" drinking isn't gonna change a damn thing. It will only change when the focus is put on limiting outsiders from coming in and trashing the place in one weekend, and then leaving. IFC leaders need to refocus their points of contention if they want to make any progress. Otherwise, this will continue to be a point of contention that drives everyone crazy until something really tragic happens.
This post was edited by RWC5113 14 months ago
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