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Bill O'Brien got himself a 9 year deal with an AAV north of $2m per as a first time head coach. If he thinks he deserves another few million on top of that for winning seven games, the businessman in me would tell him to go screw.
"Seven games" is your only reasoning? Nick Saban only won 7 games his first year at Alabama, which I believe were under sanctions at the time or at least recovering from them. Sorry, but I don't follow that logic. You always have to consider the circumstances. I think there are very few coaches who could have won us 7 games in this situation. BOB deserves a raise.
No, he doesn't. His reps and penn state negotiated a deal last year that everyone was comfortable enough to sign. They all get the benefit of that bargain, which means psu should be able to continue paying him at its negotiated salary. He doesn't get a raise after 11 months because he "outperformed his contract" like Terrell Owens. Would you be advocating for Penn State to push his salary down if they had gone 3-8 so far this year? Let me answer that for you: of course you wouldn't. O'Brien doesn't have any leverage here because no one is going to pay an $18m buyout plus give him a raise over his $16m in remaining guaranteed salary. The last guy to get a 10 year deal was charlie weis and that didn't exactly work out well for ND.
Saban had been a SEC HC that won a MNC before. Not exactly apples to apples either. He doesn't deserve a raise after one year when he already got a 4 year extension in year one. If he leaves because he didn't get a raise after one year, it wasn't meant to be. How many schools or NFL teams say let's go find a guy that costs us 20 million before we even see him. People are going a little crazy right now IMO....no raise and if he bails, you find another good HC. You sink your money into successful 1st year coaches, sometimes you dig a bigger whole than you can afford to get out of. Let's not forget PSU is already 60 million deep thanks to Jerry piece of **** Sandusky.
"One man didn't build this program and one man sure as hell cannot tear it down."
If they renegotiate anything with BOB, they should make it based on performance and quantifiable achievements over the next 4 years. Wins, level of recruits, etc.
Well, there is only two ways this will go today at BOB's press conference....either the rumors get smothered or more fuel gets added to the fire.
He doesn't deserve another few million, no. Another 0.5-0.7 million bonus to get market value for a top-third B1G coach? Maybe.
Never said it was apples to apples. But the point is obvious (and is still legitimate): that the worth of a coach is not necessarily on par with simply the number of wins. Situation has to always be considered.
I never said we needed to give him a raise. I do think he deserves one, and if he looks to leave, I'd give him one in the blink of an eye. Continuity is very valuable at this point in the program, especially given the upcoming offseason.
I'm not one who is panicking over every non-statement, because I think he's going to stay. That said, it's possible he'll look around, and if that's the case, I say he should get a raise.
There's no "pushing salary down." That never happens with coaching because only one side agrees to it. Both sides can agree to raises.
BOB deserves a raise, period. Whether he gets one or not is another matter. And I'm still not sold that his buyout is actually 18m. If his buyout is truly manageable, as jimscranton suggested, then he most certainly should get a raise.
No way would I give a raise to a 1st year guy knowing I have 3 years left on probation. I would thank him for his time and wish him the best of luck if he tried. I just would not trust any HC that pulled this in their first year there. What do you do in next year or the following year? I would look for someone with a better moral compass and I think BOB has one so I'm not to worried there. If he does try and hold the school hostage, take the 18 million and go forward. Then in 3 years when you are coming off probation go ahead and make a big splash somehow. No way do you flinch in year 1, it means you were played by that HC and he was full of it anyway. I know it's a different game, but raises after one year minus a MNC are bogus IMO. Even then you set yourself up for a huge buyout if you don't like the guy in year 2-3...just ask ND or Auburn.
Bottom line, he's worth a few extra mil to ensure program stability at this time.
I know the dangers. But frankly, I disagree - I think a raise is plenty worthwhile if he looks to leave. I also think BOB has integrity and probably wouldn't leave PSU in the lurch. IMO, he would approach PSU about a raise before potentially leaving.
Also JMO, but it's easy to tell the difference between someone like BOB and Chizik/Weis as coaches.
We'll just have to see. But if I were AD and BOB approached me about a raise, I'd give it to him.
It may buy you another year or two and your still on probation with a coach who was looking to bail in year #1. I'm not sure how that buys stability? It buys you another year and he wins again, you're in the same spot. If he starts taking a step back you have a 14-15 million dollar coach/buyout that you can't fire because you were afraid of the future.
Anyone read this article this morning?
Even if he were to leave next year the impact to the program would be monumentally less.
We would have the possibility of losing a recruiting class then, not an entire team. For PSU to have any shot to turn this around any time soon, we need stability in coaching this year.
If he leaves next year it will only because he had another good year and used PSU as a stepping stone. You're playing a big game of poker here and if you are wrong over 1 year....you lost 20+ million or you got some crazy team to pay 20+ million if you win and he bails. We see this as a year to year thing and recruiting classes are huge...I get that. If you lose 2 recruiting classes it will set your program back. If you lose 100+ million, you're program may not ever recover? If you are responsible for the long term well being of the school....do you roll those dice right now? I honestly don't know if I could or would. I've seen way too many coaches inherit other teams talent and then burn out once other coaches catch on to them. I hope that isn't the case, but you really don't know for sure. Just my 2 cents. I say see if he honors at least 20% of his contract and wins again before I start throwing him more cash.
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