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Seems to me that the dollar gap for football between acc and big ten is penetration of cfb fans within their footprint.
Most Acc football programs are second fiddle (at least) in their markets. Either to the nfl or sec teams. Or cfb fandom simply isn't as rabid (n carolina).
Interesting stat I always think of that's been mentioned: there are as many cfb fans in birmingham, al as nyc (nytimes).
That said, the acc is worth thinking thru. More talented recruiting, common culture, geography. Acc has upside from fb quality and market appeal. Just a long way to go financially - nd and psu certainly help.
This post was edited by Posas14 19 months ago
First, I love your name. Awesome.
You said taking money out of it, that's laughable. Taking money out of it, I'd be in Florida on the beach every weekend, and Arkansas duck hunting all fall. But this is the real world, money is number one.
Also, redundancy of markets is a big deal. Its why the B1G won't add anywhere they already own (Pitt). It doesn't add the TVs. Hell St.Louis wasn't big enough for Mizzou, along with other issues. The B1G can pick who it wants, they don't settle for Pitt and Cuse.
Also, I'm a fan too. Money matters to me, and honestly, I love playing OSU, Michigan, Nebraska etc. Name-wise the only conference that beats it up and down is SEC with the Big XII being top heavy.
In conclusion: MONEY MONEY MONEY.
ACC says they will stand pat at 15 (at least for now). Also don't think we should join a conference where ND is favored above all others, so BIG for me.
Haha thanks. It's been my fantasy football name for years.
I understand that if the money is greater in the big10, the move will never happen. Do you see what I'm saying about research money though? Why aren't Notre Dame and Texas jumping at a chance at this research money? As for the tv markets, IF Notre Dame and PSU joined the ACC network would get at least the same type of deal as the big10 network, probably better.
As a fan, I like playing Nebraska, Michigan, and OSU also. I'd like playing Florida St, Miami, Va Tech, and hopefully Notre Dame even more though. I live in Pittsburgh and I went to the Indiana game in DC. I would've went to the Virginia game this year too, but I had a wedding to go to. The next time I visit a big10 stadium will be the first time. I have no interest in visiting anywhere in the big10 region.
This post was edited by MtNittMoonshine 19 months ago
I think one of the few B1G stdiums I haven't been to is PSU. Most the others I sw in college or on recruiting trips.
JMO, I work in economic development with a focus on the role of Universities.
Here are my thoughts on ND:
ND is a great academic school, but by no means a research powerhouse (they barely crack the the top 50 in total R&D and Federal R&D). That doesn't make them less of an academic school, but more inline with the ACC type institutions (very strong academics, but attraction if research funding is not #1 priority). Exclude UNC, Va Tech, Ga Tech and MD, most B1G schools pull in significantly total R&D and federal R&D than the ACC (actually Pitt helps that).
Texas by itself is a research power house and a huge media market, joining the B1G probably would not significantly increase its research dollars to offset the money lost from its own network (longhorn network).
Just for point of reference in 2008, 5 B1G schools were in to the top 20 in federal R&D obligations. The Pac 10 had 4; the ACC had 1; the Big East had 1 (pitt which will be leaving)...the rest were Ivy league and others (MIT, Washington U of St. Louis, Hopkins and UC San Diego).
This post was edited by Lion_in_CBus 19 months ago
What is the source of this vote the Big Ten took to boot PSU? When did it take place?
ACC hands down. Much better rivalries. Who is our rival in the Big Ten? No one! Imagine the ACC north (or coastal or whatever they call it) with Syracuse, BC, MD, UVA, VA Tech, and PSU. Rivals! The only sports that are better in the Big Ten (I refuse to use that horrible icon) are wrestling and hockey. As for the BTN money, people forget that if the Big Ten lost Penn State a HUGE chunck of that BTN money would go away. How many TVs in PA, NJ, MD, or NY would be tuned into BTN if no Penn State? They could lose 15-20% of their revenue. If we joined the ACC, those TVs would follow and maybe the ACC network would be born. Let's see Delaney spin that one.
Just out of curiosity, why didn't PSU offer your bud?
Why should we have to go to class if we came here to play FOOTBALL, we ain't come to play SCHOOL, classes are POINTLESS
Football-wise, I agree it would be fun to play our old eastern rivals. That said, for the university as a whole, Big Ten membership is the best thing for them. By a solid margin.
First, what Lion_in_CBus said about Notre Dame not being a research school and all his other good stats.
Second, I don't know enough about Texas's situation with the Longhorn Network and whatnot. But the easy counterpoint is Nebraska had no trouble leaving behind a rivalry with OU that was as steeped in tradition as any rivalry in the country. One of the big selling points for them coming to the Big Ten? The Big Ten working hard to get them back into the AAU.
Yet in true Big Ten fashion, Wisconsin and Michigan voted Nebraska out of AAU.
Under recruited because of Peoria's football reputation. He's a reason they get more attention. Its primrily all about bball. Tbh he was hurt alot for a HSer, most not major but it scared a couple of guys off. Much more regional than anything. He heard from them (we both did, Vandy), but it wasn't very serious for him. Illinois is the school that REALLY missed out, followed by Iowa. Georgia Tech was interesting with him too.
But he's in the NFL now so it doesn't matter.
Can anyone tell me where the money for research comes from for Penn State. Everyone keeps saying it's because we are in the Big 10, but why? Would we not get the funding if we weren't in the Big 10? I really don't have any clue on this. I understand the athletic money and tv revenue, but not the research side of things. Someone elaborate.
Too bad man.
Exactly, and he got a great education at a great school and played for a great coach. I'd say he won.
The economics of the big ten are not even close to matched by the ACC. ACC has been a revolving door and will continue to draw on those BIG East powerhouse football teams. The only decent football teams are VA Tech FSU and Miami (when it wants to be good). At the end of the day, your academic reputation in the big ten is a lot more favorable than being grouped with ACC schools. ND joining was more of a defensive move as it looks like the Big East is on its way out. It will be interesting to see if the ACC remains as I think you will end up with 4 super conferences and everyone else but that is jmo.
Everyone forgets about Clemson.
nd, clemson, gt, vt, fsu, miami, unc, uva, ncst.
Its not that bad. Not sure the national appeal. And yes some of the programs are struggling.
Ideally, we would be in the Eastern Conference that Joe wanted to form back in the day. Hmm...what a novel idea. Way to piss on the idea Pitt, no wonder Joe didnt care to play little brother. When little brother acts up like a child, you dont play with him.
"Whoever’s trying to kill me isn’t getting the job done. But one day, I’m going to punch that f___r in the face."
It would be awesome on so many fronts for PSU to bolt to the ACC. 1. You can flip the bird to the B1G for not backing you guys during your darkest hour. You would have so many of your old school rivalries back. Just think ND vs PSU,PSU vs FSU. So on & so forth. Plus if PSU jumped on board ND join for football as well (witch I am a fan of). Last but not least you guys will get your natural instate rival in Pitt back & just think wouldn't it be sweet to go to heinz field every other year & kick their teeth in, in front of all 41 of pitts die hard fans?
Looks like an all sports eastern conference to me...AKA ACC North
This post was edited by white_out 19 months ago
Money-Big 10 because of TV money. If Penn State and ND can drive up viewership and demand for the ACC, this could be a wash in the future. Isn't 70% of the US population along the NE corridor?
Academics-by reputation, it's a wash IMO.
Research-I have yet to see actual data to support the CIC as a huge money maker. Someone on one of the other sites showed some data that Penn State's increase in research funding and grants mirrored that of the rest of the country over the last 20+ years (can't remember the exact timeframe). Additionally, grants are typically awarded to individual investigators irrespective of conference affiliations. I can only speak to medical research but being in the Big 10 would have absolutely no bearing on NIH grants. So, I don't buy the CIC as a reason to stay.
I'd welcome a move to the ACC yesterday.
This post was edited by psujmc1992 19 months ago
“We need to keep this (expletive) together,” Mauti and Zordich to Hill
I agree, I have yet to see actual data on why it would be better for PSU to stay in the B10 other than general statements like "we make more money" or "we receive more funding for research."
I do recall that post by someone, I think on TAP, about our research funding and grants mirroring the rest of the country.
What other data do you need?
So you have rivals that with the exception of VA Tech have not put a great product on the field in years. Sounds good to me
I'd rather be welcomed by them than stay in a conference that has turned its back on Penn State. This is the 3rd time this damned conference has turned its back on Penn State.
1. When PSU joined: It takes us 4 freakin years to get on the schedule? Nebraska joins and 3 months later they are included in the scheduling?
2. 1994. Nuff said. Same situation in 1997, and the entire conference bent over backwards to make sure the golden child of the conference got their title.
3. This whole situation. Ohio State doesn't have to repay their bowl money for being bowl ineligible. Penn State does. Jim Delaney begs, borrows and steals to get 5 ineligible players for Ohio State to play in a bowl game vs Arkansas...and what does he do to Penn State? He piles on. I really wish those presidents had the damned stones to just boot PSU. PSU isn't welcome in the Big Ten, nor has it ever been welcome in the conference.
Why stay somewhere where A) You aren't respected, B) You aren't welcome and C) When there's a better fit for the University and the athletic programs?
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