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I know this is early but we are talking about filling all of the open spots for this year included the available EE spots and we are in with a lot of 2014 targets already. I was just wondering if anyone looked at how many ships we will have available. If we don't lose players to "free agency" and fill this class with 20 (5 EE) by my estimate we would only have 5 spots for 2014. I know that is a lot of ifs.
2013 Roster by eligibility
Junior - 11 (Belton, Zwinak, Robinson, Kenny, Dieff, CJ, Bars, Baulbitz, Hull, Amos, Ficken)
Sophmore - 14 (Bench, Zanellato, williams, carter, James, Smith, Alosi, Mangiro, Barnes, Zettel, Kerner, Kline, Davis, Lucas)
Freshman - 15 (Lynch, Golden, Lewis, Warner, Wilkerson, Stanko, Laurent, Schwan, Dowrey, Johnson, Gaia, Wartman, Franklin, Wooten, Kiley)
213 Recruits - say 20
That would be 60 scholorships and we are only alowed 65. I knonw there will some attrition but I don't think we can expect a class of 15 for 2014.
You are correct. I noted this awhile back when I tried to point out how much flexibility we have in numbers should players depart.
I would bet that several players move on. Either way, it will be a very small class. The good news is that we can use those extra ships the following year as EE if we need too.
“We’re doing things we couldn’t imagine,” says safety Stephen Obeng-Agyapong. “But we’re doing them together.”
We will lose some kids and I'm sure a few kids will be asked to leave. The class might not be a full 15, but I doubt its 5.
Agreed, I think BOB and the staff will really start to trim the fat off the roster in the next few years. Anyone who isn't a contributor will be encouraged to leave because there won't be room for deadweight on the roster. It will be interesting the first few years after the sanctions b/c PSU will be able to bring in very large classes with EE and I'm sure the B1G will allow them the extra scholarship exemption (I think it's something like 3 extra scholarships?).
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You're sure the Big Ten will help Penn State out, huh? Just like they helped us out by not adding to our penalties. oh wait, they did add to it. You must be a religious man since you have alot of faith without actual evidence.
"A lion does not concern himself with the opinions of the sheep"- Glenn Carson
I understand you negative feelings towards the B1G right now but honestly at the time if you weren't lining up to hit PSU while they were down people would accuse you of supporting child rape. Alot of things will be different in a few years. The B1G knows they need a strong PSU in order for them to get onto all those TV sets in the northeast and will help PSU out as much as they can when the time comes. I mean just look at the last several months. PSU went from the scourge of the Earth to the feel good story of the year. Also, IMO part the reason the B1G expanded with Maryland and Rutgers was to directly appease and help out PSU. Not saying it was the only reason or even the main reason but it was a reason and you can tell that from the way the BTN covered the expansion and some comments made by some B1G ADs but that's JMO.
I think we have to be careful coming out off the sanctions. If we take gigantic classes to start off, we will end up with tiny classes after that. This would be a perfect time to even out our recruiting classes so we don't get back to having 25 ships one year and then 15 the next.
You could use the EE but the 2015 class would still be small because there would only be 11 seniors on the 2014 team. Again assuming no attrition which is unrealistic. I guess we are not used to assuming there will be attrition
We will have 30-35 Freshman / Reshirt Freshman this year depending on the final number of recruits. That will be half of the 65 total ships for 2014-2016. I know we will always have a higher percentage of Fr/RS Fr but that will be high.
I have been thinking about it. It might make sense for the first class with an 85 man roster to have a healthy dose of JUCOs to create depth, make us more competitive short-term and not create a long-term roster imbalance.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Lion_in_CBus 19 months ago
We will likely be taking on significant numbers of JUCO kids. I know it's not always the case, but often there is a reason they are JUCO's. I may be proven wrong, but I believe our graduation rates will suffer during the course of the sanctions. In a twisted way, the irony of Emmert's penalties is that they may very well change the terrific academic "culture" we've had here. Not that anyone will care about that, though.
This post was edited by fortheglory94 19 months ago
This is one case where the NCAA may actually help us. Since they enforced the policy that all PSU players on the 2012 roster could quit football and still get a scholarship that doesn't count against out totals, PSU needs to use that and tell a couple of kids that they aren't going to do anything for our team, but their education is paid for. If you look at that list, you can see a couple of those. You may even see a guy like Robinson encouraged to jump early to the NFL. Crazy, I know...
I would be willing to bet that we take 10-12 guys next year.
This post was edited by getmyjive11 19 months ago
That seems reasonable and if Robinson has another year like this year with a new quarterback I would recommend him go to the NFL as well. I don't want to lose him but his stock wouldn't get any higher.
It all depends on the staff at the time, I hope OB and his staff (or whoever it may be at the time) will not sacrifice doing it the right way for pure talent.
I think OB has his priorities in the right order...take for instance Jordan Smith, he needed an extra half-year to graduate high school. However, after reading his quotes, I have not doubt that he is going to put in the effort to graduate with a degree from PSU. The staff might need to take some more "risks," but I trust they will find kids that want to work in the classroom also.
I think the staff can likely find some JUCO kids that are fine academically, but just weren't highly rated. Like Waters. At least my understanding is that he just went to JUCO to get more exposure.
Don't for get kids who could leave early for the Pros.. Robinson, Carter, and Barnes could fit that bill...
You think guys like Belton will be encouraged to part ways b/c of the trimming the fat you mention....I mean he really is position-less now b/c he will not be the best RB next year and Lynch will probably be #2 and whoever they bring in either by EE or 2013 class....just example so wonder what others think?
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I actually bet we get the full 15. 10 extra guys leaving, especially considering they can leave or quit without penalty at this point is well within the possibilities.
RT @jaypo1961: #Badgers AD B.Alvarez tells athletic bd Delany thought Penn State might leave BIG if no expansion into northeast.
This tweet kinda validates my thinking. Part of the reason the B1G expanded to make PSU happy.
Since when does the Big Ten want to make us happy?
Apparently they were worried enough to add to subpar football programs.
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