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Column: The other side to the story

  • http://pennstate.247sports.com/Article/Paterno-report-presents-differing-opinions-but-not-facts-116779

    The critique of the Freeh report commissioned by the Paterno family gave readers plenty to chew on, but the coach's role in the Sandusky tragedy remains up for debate.

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  • It really is all an opinion. IMO, the most logical explaination for this goes back to what MM told everyone involved. I cannot get past the fact that Dr. Dranov, a mandatory reporter (although he wouldn't be in this instance) determined that there wasn't enough to MM's description as to what happened to advise him to go to police. Dr. Dranov has zero reason not to have the best intentions in this. It just makes me pause... because honestly, it doesn't matter what Jerry did that night or even what MM saw... it only matters what he told people. Hopefully the trials will help shed some light on that. I doubt we will ever know exactly what he told Paterno.

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  • It's interesting reading, and but I kind of disagree with it - but I think you forgot about what Joe himself said. If you take into account what he told the Washington Post, then there's nothing left to guess about Joe's role in all this. He was very specific on his actions, and his decision making process. If you take his words as the truth, we don't have to guess at anything. You can criticize him for making those choices, but it's all there.

    The way I view it, Freeh thought he had evidence that Joe lied about his part in this - and then used that evidence to judge him in the court of public opinion as guilty of conspiring to protect Sandusky and lying about his knowledge of the events in 1998. The Paterno Report effectively deconstructed that evidence.

    I don't really see what's left to debate when it comes to Joe's role in the tragedy.

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  • It is still mind-boggling to me that no one is questioning to any degree, the "failure to protect" by DPW and TSM -- really at all. I know it is merely my opinion, but it is my belief that they are far more culpable than anyone (particularly given the years involved in this case...as JS was predominantly working at TSM, not PSU during this time period)...and still everyone continues to debate JoePa's response/lack of response/knowledge, etc., when it may very well be that he did not suspect a thing...and it is simply my opinion that this is the case (especially in light of Clemente's assessment.) -- Again, merely my two cents. ;)

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  • I watched Jay Paterno make the rounds on Monday. I don't think he was pushing the "facts" point from the new report...he openly said "I don't know what Joe knew" or "We may never know what Joe was told". The point of the Paterno Report, supported what I've been saying for the past year and a half, which was I'm going to take 61 years of a man doing the right thing and standing for the right thing and side with that instead of taking one incidence that has LITTLE known facts and condemn the guy. The report did a great job in showing the chance of Paterno knowing in 1998 was low...even as Jay said he doesn't know for sure.The report did a great job beating up crazy assumptions made in the Freeh Report. The Paterno's had to include stories of Joe doing the right thing because after all, this was a character assassination made by people that don't know him at all...and this matters when people automatically assume the worse. I see where you're going here Jeff but I took a different approach with the Paterno Report and Jay Paterno (so proud of this guy). Most of this is not black and white as Freeh would lead EVERYONE to believe...and I think the Paterno's were successful in getting this message out.

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    I watched Jay Paterno make the rounds on Monday. I don't think he was pushing the "facts" point from the new report...he openly said "I don't know what Joe knew" or "We may never know what Joe was told". The point of the Paterno Report, supported what I've been saying for the past year and a half, which was I'm going to take 61 years of a man doing the right thing and standing for the right thing and side with that instead of taking one incidence that has LITTLE known facts and condemn the guy. The report did a great job in showing the chance of Paterno knowing in 1998 was low...even as Jay said he doesn't know for sure.The report did a great job beating up crazy assumptions made in the Freeh Report. The Paterno's had to include stories of Joe doing the right thing because after all, this was a character assassination made by people that don't know him at all...and this matters when people automatically assume the worse. I see where you're going here Jeff but I took a different approach with the Paterno Report and Jay Paterno (so proud of this guy). Most of this is not black and white as Freeh would lead EVERYONE to believe...and I think the Paterno's were successful in getting this message out.

    That's the screwed up thing.... This could be an active cover up to pure mistake.... No proof in anyway.

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  • I agree with jive - it's all opinions based on the evidence we know. Freeh was given access that nobody else has, so the only thing people can do is go off of whatever evidence he presented.

    At this point, the best approach is a logical one: look at the facts, look at the possible theories, and look at how they match up with all the information we know. Every theory has holes in it, and generally the best one is whichever theory has the fewest holes or has the most easily explained holes.

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  • If anything the Paterno report proves the NCAA rushed to judgement in this case and should rethink their sanctions. Sicne they won't, the courts will have to do it for them.

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  • appoo said...

    It's interesting reading, and but I kind of disagree with it - but I think you forgot about what Joe himself said. If you take into account what he told the Washington Post, then there's nothing left to guess about Joe's role in all this. He was very specific on his actions, and his decision making process. If you take his words as the truth, we don't have to guess at anything. You can criticize him for making those choices, but it's all there.

    The way I view it, Freeh thought he had evidence that Joe lied about his part in this - and then used that evidence to judge him in the court of public opinion as guilty of conspiring to protect Sandusky and lying about his knowledge of the events in 1998. The Paterno Report effectively deconstructed that evidence.

    I don't really see what's left to debate when it comes to Joe's role in the tragedy.

    Personally, I don't like to start from 10+ year old testimony. We have emails that they sent at the time, as well as certain general facts, such as McQueary went to Joe, he did not go to the police, etc. I think it's reasonable to fit theories to the facts, then see if they can explain the testimony.

    If we're going to use Joe's words, I think the most interesting ones are "In hindsight, I wish I had done more." Now, some people see that as condemning. But why would a man who knowingly covered something up say that? Why would he admit that he should have done more? Someone who covered it up would become defensive and say that he did exactly what he was supposed to do. He would start to shift blame to others.

    Claiming there was a cover up makes zero sense in the long run, based on the actual facts of the situation.

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  • psubills62 said...

    Personally, I don't like to start from 10+ year old testimony. We have emails that they sent at the time, as well as certain general facts, such as McQueary went to Joe, he did not go to the police, etc. I think it's reasonable to fit theories to the facts, then see if they can explain the testimony.

    If we're going to use Joe's words, I think the most interesting ones are "In hindsight, I wish I had done more." Now, some people see that as condemning. But why would a man who knowingly covered something up say that? Why would he admit that he should have done more? Someone who covered it up would become defensive and say that he did exactly what he was supposed to do. He would start to shift blame to others.

    Claiming there was a cover up makes zero sense in the long run, based on the actual facts of the situation.

    Exactly my thoughts. It seems that some folks conveniently gloss over the value of the words, "In hindsight." Hindsight is 20-20 as they say. It is always easier to look back at historical data and see a pattern or to second-guess what could have been done. As someone else on this board stated a while ago, we can only live our lives forward, in the present time, and make decisions on the limited data that we have at any given moment. The future will tell if our decisions were the right ones...

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  • appoo said...

    It's interesting reading, and but I kind of disagree with it - but I think you forgot about what Joe himself said. If you take into account what he told the Washington Post, then there's nothing left to guess about Joe's role in all this. He was very specific on his actions, and his decision making process. If you take his words as the truth, we don't have to guess at anything. You can criticize him for making those choices, but it's all there.

    The way I view it, Freeh thought he had evidence that Joe lied about his part in this - and then used that evidence to judge him in the court of public opinion as guilty of conspiring to protect Sandusky and lying about his knowledge of the events in 1998. The Paterno Report effectively deconstructed that evidence.

    I don't really see what's left to debate when it comes to Joe's role in the tragedy.

    You said Freeh thought he had evidence. I say he had absolutely nothing of the sort and knew it. But he was paid millions to frame this a certain way. So he presented his findings as facts instead of the suppositions that they were. And ESPN/MSM ate it up like it was spoon fed to them.

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  • fortheglory94 said...

    You said Freeh thought he had evidence. I say he had absolutely nothing of the sort and knew it. But he was paid millions to frame this a certain way. So he presented his findings as facts instead of the suppositions that they were. And ESPN/MSM ate it up like it was spoon fed to them.

    Those emails aren't nothing. They got Graham Spanier charged with perjury and added charges to Curley/Schultz.

    I think it's incredibly curious that Schultz had those printed and sitting in a desk drawer.

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  • appoo said...

    Those emails aren't nothing. They got Graham Spanier charged with perjury and added charges to Curley/Schultz.

    I think it's incredibly curious that Schultz had those printed and sitting in a desk drawer.

    Don't you think that the fact that these rather nebulous email artifacts were even "sitting around in a desk draw" indicates the lack of cover-up? If I were truly trying to cover something up, I would not leave one shred of evidence sitting on a computer or in a desk drawer in my office. It just doesn't past the sniff test for me.

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