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  • getmyjive11 said...

    He said that he was told "something of a sexual nature" occured. That is a crime. Please stop trying to find a technicality here that exonerates Joe, he is guilty as hell.

    There is no technicality, and nothing can exonerate Joe. His actions are partly responsible for Sandusky running free. It's a failure that will be with him forever.

    Besides, he also reported that account, which may or may not have been him being told of a crime, to the head of campus police. That's a fact as well. Again, his error is not in a failure to report. It was in not following up, knowing that Sandusky had a history with the police in very recent times.

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    appoo

  • appoo said...

    There is no technicality, and nothing can exonerate Joe. His actions are partly responsible for Sandusky running free. It's a failure that will be with him forever.

    Besides, he also reported that account, which may or may not have been him being told of a crime, to the head of campus police. That's a fact as well. Again, his error is not in a failure to report. It was in not following up, knowing that Sandusky had a history with the police in very recent times.

    That would be at best... and that would only be if logical summations from the emails are incorrect. There is a vastly greater chance that Paterno is a scumbag who told his lapdog Curley that he needs to rethink taking this thing to police.

    getmyjive11

  • appoo said...

    He wasn't TOLD of a crime. McQuery told 3 different stories to 4 different people.

    I wish peope would get their facts in order. There's enough fact out there to say that Joe should have been fired for a lack of leadership in executing his position as the head of a major college football program. He used horrendously poor judgement in not following up on a very serious matter, regarding someone he KNEW was investigated for one reason or another just 3 years prior. For him to NOT follow up when he realized nothing would come of that, likely squelching his own instinct, was monumentally bone-headed.

    What we do NOT have evidence of is Joe actively covering up pedophile, actively enabling a pedophile, or turning blind eye to a crime. It is ridiculous how much is being made over 2 emails that basically innocuously mention him.

    Again, his mistake was worth firing over. But we still don't have any evidence that it wasnt actually a mistake, and actually an active act on him part to do harm to protect himself.

    Is it likely that is what happened? Quite possibly. We will find out when Tim Curley has his say. But I don't understand why people are leaping to these conclusions, based very indirect evidence - especally seeing as none of the people involved were interviewed.

    riiiight. Oh, and by the way, Santa Claus really DOES squeeze his way down your chimney every Christmas eve.

    tommyb1

  • getmyjive11 said...

    He said that he was told "something of a sexual nature" occured. That is a crime. Please stop trying to find a technicality here that exonerates Joe, he is guilty as hell.

    Technically, he did nothing illegal so he isn't guilty.

    That said, you aint wrong.

    MTayl72

  • As an outsider from a different fanbase, I truly appreciate the work that you put into the article. Very well written and definitely worthy of not being VIP so people can read it. From my perspective, Mike McQuery needed to explain this situation to Joe, Curle and Shultz better than he accomplished. Based off of the emails you can decipher that the plan put into place was either that of Curley or Joe. Spanier and Shultz went along with it. I truly believe that Curley took the course of action but needed the OK from Joe. All parties are at fault and Joe should not be the only one taking the brunt of the criticism. Being a Pennsylvania resident, I just can't put my finger on Joe Paterno knowing exactly what was all going on. I am not sure based on the wishy washy-ness of McQueary that any of them truly had an idea just how bad this was. Good luck during the coming months guys.

    Envy the past, Fear the future

    Brannen55

  • MTayl72 said...

    Technically, he did nothing illegal so he isn't guilty.

    That said, you aint wrong.

    Failure to Report Child Abuse is a crime...third degree misdemeanor for a first offense and second degree for each subsequent offense...

    conman24

  • MTayl72 said...

    Technically, he did nothing illegal so he isn't guilty.

    That said, you aint wrong.

    Yeah, his death saved him from the perjury charge that probably would have followed.

    getmyjive11

  • getmyjive11 said...

    Yeah, his death saved him from the perjury charge that probably would have followed.

    That perjury charge never would hav been brought. The Freeh report waas too ambiguous to what he actually knew and if it contradicted his statement.

    And to the post before, he did not fail to report. Under current law all he needed to do was report to superiors, he did. Its wh he wasn't chrged in the first place. The same evidence being shown now was there for the original rounds of indictments, and from what he testified on.

    Like I said, doesn't excuse him from any judegement you all are puttting forth. But he would have seen no charges.

    MTayl72

  • MTayl72 said...

    That perjury charge never would hav been brought. The Freeh report waas too ambiguous to what he actually knew and if it contradicted his statement.

    And to the post before, he did not fail to report. Under current law all he needed to do was report to superiors, he did. Its wh he wasn't chrged in the first place. The same evidence being shown now was there for the original rounds of indictments, and from what he testified on.

    Like I said, doesn't excuse him from any judegement you all are puttting forth. But he would have seen no charges.

    I agree about the failure to report... he did report it. But in his GJ testimony he said that he gave the information to his superiors and then let them handle it. If he talked to Curley again as the email indicates, then that is a lie. It may be too ambiguous to convict him of perjury, but I think it is enough to charge him.

    getmyjive11

  • getmyjive11 said...

    I agree about the failure to report... he did report it. But in his GJ testimony he said that he gave the information to his superiors and then let them handle it. If he talked to Curley again as the email indicates, then that is a lie. It may be too ambiguous to convict him of perjury, but I think it is enough to charge him.

    Honestly, that isn't even close enough for perjury. They'd have a better case with the 98 info, and that is weak legally as well.

    Honestly, when reaading the report and even the sectional summary, you notice a Paterno withdrawal for a long while. There's a reaason for that, and I assume its because he knew to legally. Now whether thaat is right or wrong is in the eye of the beholder.

    MTayl72