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Colin Cowherd is such a tool!

  • And what's better, having 4 very good seasons or 8 mediocre? If a team won 4 MNCs and had 6 losing seasons in a 10 year span did they have a better decade then a team with no losing seasons but no MNCs or BCS game wins? IMO the team with 4 MNC wins had the better 10 year stretch.

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  • psujmc1992 said...

    Based on what? Not wins or BCS bowls in the last 10 years.

    Based on BCS bowls, yes. All but Iowa have been in more BCS games then us.

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  • It's about winning Mncs and conference titles. I don't give two sh1ts about now many wins we have if we never win any titles.

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  • sneakypete said...

    Based on BCS bowls, yes. All but Iowa have been in more BCS games then us.

    Slightly off topic. Even with Saban's years included, Alabama has the 48th most wins over the last 10 years. (Florida State has the 42nd). Their "dark years" must have been pitch black.

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  • psu2013 said...

    It's about winning Mncs and conference titles. I don't give two sh1ts about now many wins we have if we never win any titles.

    And conference titles can even be skewed because you don't play everyone every year.

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  • psujmc1992 said...

    Slightly off topic. Even with Saban's years included, Alabama has the 48th most wins over the last 10 years. (Florida State has the 42nd). Their "dark years" must have been pitch black.

    Yet they have more MNCs then us as well as BCS game appearences.

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  • Stanford since 2k.

    2000 5-6
    2001 9-3
    2002 2-9
    2003 4-7
    2004 4-7
    2005 5-6
    2006 1-11
    2007 4-8
    2008 5-7
    2009 8-5
    2010 12-1
    2011 11-2

    That just goes to show how perceptions are simply based on the now and not really well thought out. PSU has room to grow for sure and it had it's worst 5 year stretch ever in the last decade. We get that and you take that hit and slide down to a top 15-20 program. The thing is teams like LSU were down for decades...not 5 years. OU, Texas, USC....etc. Where were they in the 90's? PSU needs to win more consistently and get back on top, but some of those schools are not on some different level and in fact are a full step or two below PSU.

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  • sneakypete said...

    Total wins aren't accurate either. Because of conference strength for starters. The SEC feels the same way about the B1G as we do the Big East.

    So total wins aren't a good measure because of differences in conference strength... But automatic BCS bids from weak conferences are?
    Winning the Big East is the equivalent of finishing .500 in B1G conference play.

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  • sneakypete said...

    Total wins aren't accurate either. Because of conference strength for starters. The SEC feels the same way about the B1G as we do the Big East.

    Where did I say wins were the only measure to use? They're one measure, just like BCS appearances is ONE measure. You're using it as the sole measure, I was using an example to show why others need to be used as well.

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  • sneakypete said...

    So ND gets preferential treatment and everyone is out to get PSU. Got it. These bowls don't want PSU and their well known traveling fan base.

    Never said everyone is out to get PSU. Regardless of what PSU is doing, ND does get preferential treatment. And we're not the only travelling fanbase, as evidenced by the year when Iowa was chosen over us for a BCS bowl (we beat LSU that year in the Cap1 Bowl). It's not technically a "BCS" bowl win, but I'd say it's a very quality bowl win that you are so quick to disregard.

    Has there been a time when PSU was selected for a BCS bowl despite being undeserving? I haven't looked, but I know enough complaining has gone on before to suggest ND has.

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  • RWC5113 said...

    So total wins aren't a good measure because of differences in conference strength... But automatic BCS bids from weak conferences are?
    Winning the Big East is the equivalent of finishing .500 in B1G conference play.

    Same with winning the B1G in comparison to the SEC.

    Try to fathom the hypocrisy of a Government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured .but not prove they're a citizen

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  • sneakypete said...

    And conference titles can even be skewed because you don't play everyone every year.

    ...Doesn't that indicate BCS bowls are skewed, then?

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  • sneakypete said...

    Same with winning the B1G in comparison to the SEC.

    Difference is we're not claiming that PSU has been better than teams that have consistently competed for the SEC championship/game over the last 10 years.

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  • psubills62 said...

    Never said everyone is out to get PSU. Regardless of what PSU is doing, ND does get preferential treatment. And we're not the only travelling fanbase, as evidenced by the year when Iowa was chosen over us for a BCS bowl (we beat LSU that year in the Cap1 Bowl). It's not technically a "BCS" bowl win, but I'd say it's a very quality bowl win that you are so quick to disregard.

    Has there been a time when PSU was selected for a BCS bowl despite being undeserving? I haven't looked, but I know enough complaining has gone on before to suggest ND has.

    I agree and think the LSU win is a great win.

    PSU has only been selected to 2 BCS games, so no.

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  • RWC5113 said...

    Difference is we're not claiming that PSU has been better than teams that have consistently competed for the SEC championship/game over the last 10 years.

    Well people are questioning Georgia. More BCS games and in a much toughe conference.

    Try to fathom the hypocrisy of a Government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured .but not prove they're a citizen

    sneakypete

  • psubills62 said...

    ...Doesn't that indicate BCS bowls are skewed, then?

    Everything is skewed. But they don't hand out BCS games to just anybody. Its a good barometer.

    Try to fathom the hypocrisy of a Government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured .but not prove they're a citizen

    sneakypete

  • psu2013 said...

    It's about winning Mncs and conference titles. I don't give two sh1ts about now many wins we have if we never win any titles.

    Is this the "I dont care if it isnt only what I use to value things" argument? biggrin

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  • Basically my consensus from all of this is that Colin Cowherd is evil and must be destroyed

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  • sneakypete said...

    Everything is skewed. But they don't hand out BCS games to just anybody. Its a good barometer.

    The Big East begs to disagree.

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  • Seltz said...

    Is this the "I dont care if it isnt only what I use to value things" argument? biggrin

    That's what everyone is arguing here. Including you.

    Try to fathom the hypocrisy of a Government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured .but not prove they're a citizen

    sneakypete

  • sneakypete said...

    Well people are questioning Georgia. More BCS games and in a much toughe conference.

    Did they get those BCS games because they won the SEC, or because of an at large (aka subjective) pick?
    They haven't won the SEC in 7 years, and only twice this century. If they were winning that tough conference, they would be in the national title game.

    This post was edited by RWC5113 on 5/17/2012 at 3:24 PM

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  • psubills62 said...

    The Big East begs to disagree.

    So the NCAA decided to give an automatic birth to a conference that sucks?

    You also say that like the B1G is light years above the Big East. It isnt.

    Try to fathom the hypocrisy of a Government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured .but not prove they're a citizen

    sneakypete

  • sneakypete said...

    So the NCAA decided to give an automatic birth to a conference that sucks?

    Yes.
    Are you surprised that the NCAA might do something that happens to be really stupid?

    This post was edited by RWC5113 on 5/17/2012 at 3:26 PM

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  • RWC5113 said...

    Did they get those BCS games because they won the SEC, or because of an at large (aka subjective) pick?
    They haven't won the SEC in 7 years, and only twice this century. If they were winning that tough conference, they would be in the national title game.

    Clearly the powers that be think what they did in the SEC is better then what we did in the B1G. Which I would agree with. Coming in 3rd in the SEC is better then winning the B1G.

    Try to fathom the hypocrisy of a Government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured .but not prove they're a citizen

    sneakypete

  • sneakypete said...

    Clearly the powers that be think what they did in the SEC is better then what we did in the B1G. Which I would agree with. Coming in 3rd in the SEC is better then winning the B1G.

    Perhaps.
    Although we sure seemed to do fine against the big bad SEC when we beat LSU in the CapOne bowl and notched a top 10 ranking to finish the season in 2009.
    But that wasn't a "BCS game appearance."

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