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Chambers Job Security

  • Goalieman688 said...

    Wow. I did not mean anything by it. Where I grew up a coach that did not produce for two years he usually was gone. I am not close to the basketball program hence why I asked.

    5 years to turn a program around which seems a bit of a stretch...all you need is one recruiting class....

    And how exactly do you get a great recruiting class when you have such terrible talent on the team now that you can't win? The class next year is very good for PSU standards, let Pat get his guys in and then evaluate him. We start winning and you will see some very good recruiting classes, Chambers can really recruit and I believe he can coach too. He was a big reason Villanova was so good a few years ago for a good stretch.

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  • Goalieman688 said...

    Never had a brand name in basketball...Actually

    Tony Bennett at Washington State in 2006 did it. Al Skinner at BC in 2000 did it. Billy Gillispie did it at Texas El Paso went from 6-24 to 24-8... Jim O’Brien at OSU in 1998 did it too...not exactly household / brand names

    I like NitLionsGo response, but I bet the coaches you mentioned also didn't lose a superstar player to injury during the turnarounds.

    PSUfan28

  • I wouldn't call Frazier a superstar

    Goalieman688

  • First, this thread is ridiculous. To even suggest or raise the question re chambers' job status is moronic. Chambers is the only thing right w the program at the momnt.

    Next, Frazier may not be a superstar but he was a returning all big ten player and a wooden preseason nominee...call him what you want but the bottom line is that he's a very talented player that is sorely missed.

    I love chambers but man I'm trying to figure out what he saw in Akosa that warranted such an early offer. IMO this kid just can't play.

    Team will be better next year but they still have major question marks up and down the lineup. For starters Travis needs to develop. I'd like to see him be more of a post presence...I don't think he's a threat on the perimeter at all.

    mc34

  • Goalieman688 said...

    I wouldn't call Frazier a superstar

    I would call him a superstar, and that's not a biased response. Look at his all around game and the national recognition he had gotten. Olympic tryouts, All the camps, draft status, First team All Big in arguably the best bball conference this year. I think he's EARNED that right and not just dubbed one.

    NitLionsGo

  • Goalieman688 said...

    I wouldn't call Frazier a superstar

    Frazier is one of the best PGs in the country definitely a superstar as far as the college game is concerned. He literally does everything for us as well.

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  • Goalieman688 said...

    Have their been any rumblings around about his job security given the team performance this year?

    Absolutely none - and there damn well shouldn't be.

    UncleLar

  • ejb5212 said...

    nominated for dumbest thread of the year

    Just more evidence that part of our problem is that a large portion of our fan base is clueless.

    UncleLar

  • Ok we can fire him....
    But you're picking up the tab for his THON pledge tomorrow night.

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  • RWC5113 said...

    Ok we can fire him.... But you're picking up the tab for his THON pledge tomorrow night.

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  • Goalieman688 said...

    I wouldn't call Frazier a superstar

    How can you not call Frazier a superstar? At the least he was by far the most crucial player on our roster this year. He was an All B1G player last year and would most likely performed just as well if not better than last year. Chambers isn't going anywhere for at least another 3 years. To really see what type of program he runs he needs the chance to do just that. By the time he was given the team there wasn't anyone on the roster that could have saved his seasons. Let him work a bit. PSU basketball has never been a so called powerhouse, but I feel as if in the next 2-3 years it will be a mid B1G qualty team.

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  • mezzman99 said...

    How can you not call Frazier a superstar? At the least he was by far the most crucial player on our roster this year. He was an All B1G player last year and would most likely performed just as well if not better than last year. Chambers isn't going anywhere for at least another 3 years. To really see what type of program he runs he needs the chance to do just that. By the time he was given the team there wasn't anyone on the roster that could have saved his seasons. Let him work a bit. PSU basketball has never been a so called powerhouse, but I feel as if in the next 2-3 years it will be a mid B1G qualty team.

    Because he is not. He is a very good player whose is very valuable on our team because of the make up. He is a very good player and does make the team a lot better but he had very limited upside (projected second round pick pre injury). Anyway my point was stated before I grew up in heart of B10 country where coaches were cut if they didn't produce.

    Goalieman688

  • well that explains it. PSU is not some bigten team that wins consistently. If someone came took over at MSU, Indy, Wisky, OSU, ect and was having seasons like PSU is, sure he'd be on the hot seat. What is alarming is your inability to put Chambers' and PSU's situation in context.... shocking really that you can't see the difference.

    spud358

  • Goalieman688 said...

    I wouldn't call Frazier a superstar

    Frazier is a superstar in my books.... are you basing that on college production, skill or NBA prospects? I think his production last year on essenially the same team was out of this world and his raw skills before the injury were unmatched. He has some work to do on his outside shooting, but otherwise he was incredible last year.

    GRS154

  • GRS154 said...

    Frazier is a superstar in my books.... are you basing that on college production, skill or NBA prospects? I think his production last year on essenially the same team was out of this world and his raw skills before the injury were unmatched. He has some work to do on his outside shooting, but otherwise he was incredible last year.

    I am not sure I was bashing him. At the college level, he is a very good player. If you consider him a superstar, what is Trey Burke's status and Carter-Williams?

    Goalieman688

  • Goalieman688 said...

    Because he is not. He is a very good player whose is very valuable on our team because of the make up. He is a very good player and does make the team a lot better but he had very limited upside (projected second round pick pre injury). Anyway my point was stated before I grew up in heart of B10 country where coaches were cut if they didn't produce.

    I get what you're saying with his upside toward the NBA. I think if there were better role players surrounding him he could be showcased more. He is the all-in-one sort of player for us. As far as our team goes he is "the" superstar. Even though he may be limited to just a good college player.

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  • The team hasn't won a game in the Big Ten this year. I think the guys question is understandable. Perhaps uniformed but maybe that's why he's asking it. It is pretty alarming that the loss of one player has shaken the team to this degree. Scariest thing is the absence of guys who can score. A former DIII player and a guy who we know will not be returning next year are two of the 8 players we can count on. I love CHambers enthusiasm and hope he sticks around awhile but i'd be careful about challenging this question.peace

    Broteau

  • The big question is what happens in 5 years if we are hardly better off than under DeChellis? Personally, I'll probably give up. I've been following this team since I was a student in '99-'03 and it's an endless cycle of enthusiasm and let down. The Chamber's hire and his quick entrance into the Philly recruiting scene is the most excited I've been for the prospects of building a reputable program at PSU. As such, another flop would lead to an equal and opposite let down. I'd probably stop hoping and just accept that PSU will not have a respectable hoops program for the foreseeable future.

    I'm not completely sure what kind of history Nebraska has on the hardwood and how that would compare to PSU, but I think what they are doing might make for an interesting case study. Where PSU has been trying to slowly build a successful program on the cheap, Nebraska seems to be going out and attempting to buy one.

    spud358

  • spud358 said...

    The big question is what happens in 5 years if we are hardly better off than under DeChellis? Personally, I'll probably give up. I've been following this team since I was a student in '99-'03 and it's an endless cycle of enthusiasm and let down. The Chamber's hire and his quick entrance into the Philly recruiting scene is the most excited I've been for the prospects of building a reputable program at PSU. As such, another flop would lead to an equal and opposite let down. I'd probably stop hoping and just accept that PSU will not have a respectable hoops program for the foreseeable future.

    I'm not completely sure what kind of history Nebraska has on the hardwood and how that would compare to PSU, but I think what they are doing might make for an interesting case study. Where PSU has been trying to slowly build a successful program on the cheap, Nebraska seems to be going out and attempting to buy one.

    Buy one? How?

    By building a brand new arena just after they join the Big Ten. Oops - wait a minute, that's what Penn State did when they built the Bryce Jordan Center.

    By hiring a coach who just took his mid-major program to the NCAAs. Oops - wait a minute, that's what Penn State did when they hired Ed DeChellis from East Tennessee State - and have redone with the hire of Pat Chambers from Boston U.

    Other than those two moves, I'm not aware of anything else that Nebraska has done recently for their hoops program - and they both look like things that were done at PSU.

    This post was edited by UncleLar on 2/14/2013 at 12:40 PM

    UncleLar

  • Really Lar? If you want to compare the Hendricks training complex matched with the Devany center to what the PSU basketball program had in 1995 with the BJC, you are simply being dishonest. As you are well aware it took untli about 5 years into ED's stay to even have a video room at PSU, almost 10 years after the BJC was built.

    "The 84,000-square foot Hendricks Training Complex opened in October of 2011, and is one of the nation's premier basketball facilities. The two-level facility features the Bus Whitehead Court for practices, as well as a team meeting and film room, the Neal and Jamie Hawks Players Lounge as well as a 5,000-square foot weight room and an expanded nutrition oasis. The Bus Whitehead Court includes a court and a half of space with balcony viewing from the coaches' offices, a 103' plasma TV for coaching and instruction and acoustically treated walls for better communication inside the gym.

    The Husker men's basketball facilities are among the nation's best, as the program moved into the Hendricks Training Complex in October of 2011. Husker players have the Neal and Jamie Hawks Players Lounge, which includes over 400' of televisions, a plasma video wall, a custom couch, pool table and kitchen area, as well as an expansive sound system. The Husker looker room features 20 wooden lockers with built-in iPads, a Terrazzo flooring display, individualized displays and A/V jacks so players can play their own music throughout the facility. The locker room also features hot and cold tanks, as well as a shower area with three sprinkler heads and built in speakers to listen to music."

    you know as well as I that PSU didn't come close to putting this kind of resources into the program when they joined the bigten. In fact, you have posted many times about the struggles DeChellis faced with facilities and resources. Now you are attempting to argue that Nebraska's state of the art facility that is one of the best in the country is on par with what PSU did in 1995? come on now. PSU took over 15 years just to get up to par while Nebraska as met the bar and exceeded it in their first year in the conference. Heck, just 2 years ago PSU was bumped from the PRACTICE FACILITY because of a concert. Let me know when Bon Jovi is playing the Hendricks training facility because I want to go.

    you were literally the poster child for making excuses for ED's lack of recruiting and winning, mostly based on a lack of resources. You of all people should see the money and resources Nebraska is throwing at their program and the STARK contrast to what PSU was dealing with for the past 20 years.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by spud358 on 2/14/2013 at 1:00 PM

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  • POV said...

    No rumbling nor should there be. However, the blind worship of the man should stop too. He brings great energy, but is unproven as a head basketball coach at this level

    can he develop talent? Guys who he said got much better in the offseason, like Travis and Graham, have shown very little. Maybe a guy like Travis just needs more time. Maybe he just needs his own guys

    can he identify talent? Chambers watched Newbill practice all last year and thought he could play point guard if Frazier went down. Very bad idea. He still had a couple months to recruit after Lewis transferred and only went after forwards. Taylor and Jack showed promise in the OOC, but have either hit the freshman wall or need more development - probably both. Chambers first recruit, Akosa M., is an epic failure at guard. Chambers said he would be the needed 3 point shooter, but he is just another guy that chucks up airballs. The fact he can't beat out walk-ons like Colella and Montminy says it all

    can he recuit? Yes, so far. Taylor was a good get and this next class looks solid, but only time will tell

    can he coach x's and o's? I have zero idea. Thanks to the roster he and mostly Dechellis brought in, we have no shooters or anyone who can bring the ball up the court . How could one ever evaluate that? The defensive energy is usually good but some of the diving from behind for attitude points is just stupid.

    Overall, I predict he will prove to be the man for the job. I would even bet on it. I just would wager very little. I expect 6 B1G wins next year. For the people that think this should take 5-6 years, that is a folly. This is basketball where a couple guys can make a gigantic difference. Young guys can excel and you don't need a 10 deep roster to compete. I watched people blame Jerry Dunn for all of Dechellis ills for far too many years, I would hope people would have learned there lesson.

    One of your best pieces. Nice job.

    Hamilton Lion

  • Goalieman688 said...

    I am not sure I was bashing him. At the college level, he is a very good player. If you consider him a superstar, what is Trey Burke's status and Carter-Williams?

    Frazier was a better PG last year than both of those examples you just gave.... can't compare anything year due to the injury. But I'd argue Frazier played better last year than Burke's currently playing this year, and I'm just not a fan of Carter-Williams. Burke's getting a ton of hype this year because the UM team is soooo good, not because he's a superstar by himself.

    GRS154

  • spud358 said...

    Really Lar? If you want to compare the Hendricks training complex matched with the Devany center to what the PSU basketball program had in 1995 with the BJC, you are simply being dishonest. As you are well aware it took untli about 5 years into ED's stay to even have a video room at PSU, almost 10 years after the BJC was built.

    "The 84,000-square foot Hendricks Training Complex opened in October of 2011, and is one of the nation's premier basketball facilities. The two-level facility features the Bus Whitehead Court for practices, as well as a team meeting and film room, the Neal and Jamie Hawks Players Lounge as well as a 5,000-square foot weight room and an expanded nutrition oasis. The Bus Whitehead Court includes a court and a half of space with balcony viewing from the coaches' offices, a 103' plasma TV for coaching and instruction and acoustically treated walls for better communication inside the gym.

    The Husker men's basketball facilities are among the nation's best, as the program moved into the Hendricks Training Complex in October of 2011. Husker players have the Neal and Jamie Hawks Players Lounge, which includes over 400' of televisions, a plasma video wall, a custom couch, pool table and kitchen area, as well as an expansive sound system. The Husker looker room features 20 wooden lockers with built-in iPads, a Terrazzo flooring display, individualized displays and A/V jacks so players can play their own music throughout the facility. The locker room also features hot and cold tanks, as well as a shower area with three sprinkler heads and built in speakers to listen to music."

    you know as well as I that PSU didn't come close to putting this kind of resources into the program when they joined the bigten. In fact, you have posted many times about the struggles DeChellis faced with facilities and resources. Now you are attempting to argue that Nebraska's state of the art facility that is one of the best in the country is on par with what PSU did in 1995? come on now. PSU took over 15 years just to get up to par while Nebraska as met the bar and exceeded it in their first year in the conference. Heck, just 2 years ago PSU was bumped from the PRACTICE FACILITY because of a concert. Let me know when Bon Jovi is playing the Hendricks training facility because I want to go.

    you were literally the poster child for making excuses for ED's lack of recruiting and winning, mostly based on a lack of resources. You of all people should see the money and resources Nebraska is throwing at their program and the STARK contrast to what PSU was dealing with for the past 20 years.

    The point is that building one multi-million dollar multi purpose arena is not a demonstration that one is trying to "buy" their way to hoops success. Penn State did the exact same thing. It's certainly not a sign that either were opening up the purse strings.

    Now if they had spent multi-millions on a basketball only facility, you'd have more of a case.

    Or, if they had gotten their checkbook out and hired a big time name coach, you'd also have more of a case - but Tim Miles from Colorado State? Doesn't sound like a go for broke movement to me.

    To me, it reads just like Penn State back in the early 90s. The university realizing that they were going to have to upgrade their facilities across the board so they go out and spend money on a lot of sports facilities. That's what PSU did in the 90s, and that's what it looks like Nebraska is doing now.

    UncleLar

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