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Jerry Sandusky is off to jail. Now what will the NCAA do to Penn State? Gregg Doyel says it should do nothing. The program broke no NCAA rules, and the school's real punishment will come in the form of civil lawsuits.
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paupacklion said...
Thanks for the post rmj. I read an article yesterday in the Tennesseean that said that the NCAA will not force PSU to receive major punishment but that the leaders of PSU should self impose it(he said they should volunteer to have no games for one whole season). Something tells me we are going to need that revenue. We could use the games as a forum to raise awareness for these awful type of crimes.
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PKG said...
Had a question for you guys. Why does dat ginger (Brian Bennett) hate Penn State soo much? I mean, everytime i see his posts on espn, he never has nething positive to say about us.. Even his lunch time links that he posts is normaly always sandusky related. Like WDH..!! not cool. Adam is still fine, he still talks good stuff about psu every once in a while. But that Brian kid, really tickes me off every time i read his posts. (Yeah, i know i shud stop readin espn, but just sayin)
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psujmc1992 said...
rmj, that article is just as ridiculous as any other I've read. My diploma is worth no less to me than it was one year ago. Penn State's name and reputation as an excellent university based on the work of hundred's of thousands of people over 140+ years have not changed. We Are...Not Jerry Sandusky! We are not going to wither away and die because of him.
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psujmc1992 said...
rmj, that article is just as ridiculous as any other I've read. My diploma is worth no less to me than it was one year ago. Penn State's name and reputation as an excellent university based on the work of hundred's of thousands of people over 140+ years have not changed. We Are...Not Jerry Sandusky! We are not going to wither away and die because of him.
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PSGrue said...
The implication of Joe as a power that everyone was afraid of is nonsense.
"Penn State officials weren't gutless years ago because they were afraid of a recruiting hit. They were afraid of Joe Paterno. This was his program, his school, and if he wasn't going to punch Sandusky in the nose and call the cops every hour on the hour until they started investigating that monster, well, neither were they. It wasn't about some schoolboy quarterback from Altoona; it was about the revered, feared old man running the show."
McQuery reported to Joe in 2001. In 2000 and 2001, PSU went a combined 10-13. Talk around the country in 2001 was that JoePa was a doddering old figurehead who lost touch with the program and recruits. A brief winning blip in 2002, then 7-16 the next two years. You cannot be both the all-powerful mafia don scaring everyone and the senile figurehead who should retire.
Unless you want to pick or choose his persona to fit your article.
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PSGrue said...
The implication of Joe as a power that everyone was afraid of is nonsense.
"Penn State officials weren't gutless years ago because they were afraid of a recruiting hit. They were afraid of Joe Paterno. This was his program, his school, and if he wasn't going to punch Sandusky in the nose and call the cops every hour on the hour until they started investigating that monster, well, neither were they. It wasn't about some schoolboy quarterback from Altoona; it was about the revered, feared old man running the show."
McQuery reported to Joe in 2001. In 2000 and 2001, PSU went a combined 10-13. Talk around the country in 2001 was that JoePa was a doddering old figurehead who lost touch with the program and recruits. A brief winning blip in 2002, then 7-16 the next two years. You cannot be both the all-powerful mafia don scaring everyone and the senile figurehead who should retire.
Unless you want to pick or choose his persona to fit your article.
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PSGrue said...
The implication of Joe as a power that everyone was afraid of is nonsense.
"Penn State officials weren't gutless years ago because they were afraid of a recruiting hit. They were afraid of Joe Paterno. This was his program, his school, and if he wasn't going to punch Sandusky in the nose and call the cops every hour on the hour until they started investigating that monster, well, neither were they. It wasn't about some schoolboy quarterback from Altoona; it was about the revered, feared old man running the show."
McQuery reported to Joe in 2001. In 2000 and 2001, PSU went a combined 10-13. Talk around the country in 2001 was that JoePa was a doddering old figurehead who lost touch with the program and recruits. A brief winning blip in 2002, then 7-16 the next two years. You cannot be both the all-powerful mafia don scaring everyone and the senile figurehead who should retire.
Unless you want to pick or choose his persona to fit your article.
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LaJollaLion said...
It just sounds better if the media says it that way. Fear of what Joe blowing the whistle on them for not doing anything? Fear of losing money? Fear of Joe beating them up? Fear of bad press? Fear of losing Joe's image?
No matter what reason the three amigos give, a university employee (GA at the time) told them of a crime and they sat on it. There isn't a valid reason on this planet they can pull out that will excuse that. Well Joe was a popular football coach....so what? Some will pass the buck on Joe, but a football coach handed this off to "professional" administrators and they dropped the ball. Joe should have followed up some more, but this fear of Joe crap is garbage. I wish I could use fear as an excuse for total and complete inaction. Some will make this about Joe as it sells papers, but it's about Sandusky and an administration to stupid to do what was right. I still don't give MM a free pass either as at 28 years old you know damn well who needs to be called for such a crime and it isn't Daddy or your boss.
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PSGrue said...
Exactly. Was he powerful or not? My point is the media paints either picture as a matter of convenience.
He told his bosses to pound sand over losing seasons. Of course he had power from wins and as the face of Penn State.
He didn't have enough power to bury pedophile accusations. Only Shultz and Spanier had that much.
If, as the article contends, they buried the Sandusky allegations because of Paterno's power, then the conversation would go something like this:
Shultz: "Oh no! Don't say anything about Sandusky. Paterno will get MAD!" Curley: "I don't like him when he's angry. If only we could arrest him without Joe's wrath!" Spanier: "Yes, we must protect Joe and PSU at all costs. Bury this. All hail, Joe Paterno."
Joe didn't have THAT kind of power.
But let's look at the conversation this way (in 2001). Curley: "Joe should probably go. I know he wants 409 but the leadership is lacking. The team is struggling." Shultz: "If we fire Paterno, what if he starts talking about Sandusky?" Curley: "We could arrest Sandusky and use that as evidence Joe lost control." Spanier: "We must protect PSU at all costs. If that means keeping Joe until this Sandusky thing blows over then so be it. Bury this."
Again, Joe is not powerful enough here to stop things. The 3 stooges want to protect PSU when they could have used the allegations as evidence for termination.
I can't envision a scenario where Joe's power keeps this scandal hidden. In fact, Joe & McQuery could have been heroes if Spanier and Curley threw Sandusky under the bus immediately:
Shultz (to media): "Joe Paterno and Mike McQuery have brought a serious issue to our attention. Jerry Sandusky has been placed on administrative leave while we investigate the allegations. Penn State's tradition and values demand we take immediate action on these allegations. Thank you Joe Paterno, for your integrity and caring for the victims of this abuse." Crowd: "All hail, Joe Paterno!"
Now THAT would have reflected Joe Paterno's true power as the Master of the Universe. But it didn't happen that way.
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skaskela said...
One hypothetical that I haven't heard during all of this. We know Joe told Curley and Schultz about this. He may have followed up later to see how the incident was being investigated (idk). We also know that Curley and Schultz made the conscious decision to bury this. What if Curley and Schultz told Joe either 1) that they were continuing to investigate the incident and that he should not involve himself; or 2) that they fully investigated the incident and determined that there was nothing going on with JS, and that they had cleared JS of any suspected wrongdoings?
Like I said, I have not heard this hypo discussed at all.
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skaskela said...
One hypothetical that I haven't heard during all of this. We know Joe told Curley and Schultz about this. He may have followed up later to see how the incident was being investigated (idk). We also know that Curley and Schultz made the conscious decision to bury this. What if Curley and Schultz told Joe either 1) that they were continuing to investigate the incident and that he should not involve himself; or 2) that they fully investigated the incident and determined that there was nothing going on with JS, and that they had cleared JS of any suspected wrongdoings?
Like I said, I have not heard this hypo discussed at all.
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