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Both quarterbacks to play Saturday

  • http://pennstate.247sports.com/Article/Penn-State-to-play-both-quarterbacks-against-Indiana-State-37570

    Penn State head coach Joe Paterno said both Rob Bolden and Matt McGloin will play on Saturday.

    Lions247 Staff

  • Only fair... 7 on 7s only going to tell you so much..Let the game do the talking.. Rotate throught at least a 4-5 gmes. Let the best man win

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  • Let's hope the good Lord is a little more forthcoming next week.

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  • on the bright side, it'll make Bama's coaching staff spend time preparing for both...

    LambeauLeap

  • LambeauLeap said...

    on the bright side, it'll make Bama's coaching staff spend time preparing for both...

    umm no.. both are similar style QBs that dont carry a different playbook then the other....

    Bama doesnt have to change their gameplan vs either.. its not like one is a Option/read style QB and one is pro style

    LioninMD

  • LambeauLeap said...

    on the bright side, it'll make Bama's coaching staff spend time preparing for both...

    Haha I hope that's a joke

    beck881psu

  • I would, prep differently for Byron Leftwitch and Chad Pennington, even if they were running the same playbook, as an example.

    I dont think Bama has to do much more prep thinking about 2 QB's, when the styles dont vastly differ. However, to scoff at it is foolish as well, as there are differences.

    RB has a strong arm, especially on a line in comparison IMO. Out routes may get there a split second earlier for example. Have to adjust some.

    MM moves the pocket on his own more. A Dline, etc will adjust to that as well.

    As of last year, one was willing to stretch the field vertically more than the other. That is a pretty significant difference itself at times. It can change the reads of a few different players, depending on which of the 2 you were looking at. (if it stays that way this year of course, until game one, last years film is all there is)

    Really though, its not like we are dealing a couple 'rookie' staffs with 'rookie' players. It isnt going to hurt PSU to not have a starter named through game one. Game 2 we will see, but again, fans will likely make more of it that it will actually be. Bama staff has prepped for 2 QB's before I am sure.

    Hell, we could see Saban using 2 QB's against us (little talked about possibility)

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  • bmorepsu said...

    Haha I hope that's a joke

    A joke is throwing 5 picks in a game and not getting benched.

    FireJayPa

  • LioninMD said...

    umm no.. both are similar style QBs that dont carry a different playbook then the other....

    Bama doesnt have to change their gameplan vs either.. its not like one is a Option/read style QB and one is pro style

    I think we all can agree that they're similar players.

    But its very ignorant to say "Bama doesnt have to change their gameplan vs either.. its not like one is a Option/read style QB and one is pro style".

    Yes, they have the same style, but this isn't NCAA 2012, bro. What do you think goes on in position meetings the week before the game? The Bama coaches will look at film of both QB's and determine tendencies, see what defensive looks confused each QB more, etc and then relay that to the players.

    Like if Bolden was named the starter weeks ago, they wouldn't spend much time analyzing McGloin's performance vs Florida. Now they definitely will and will try to emulate the looks that gave him problems that game...etc etc etc

    This is the stuff that happens in real life........

    LambeauLeap

  • by playing two qbs it confuses our team more then it would confuse a team that is 2 weeks out from playing us

    LioninMD

  • One thing that I find funny is that both QB's were going to play against ISU regardless of the starter being named. Hell a walk other than MM will probably see some snaps. I'll be more upset if either one is still playing late in the game. Bottom line is the that plays will be the right guy until the first loss. That is pretty much a given in most years.

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  • "Some of the wideouts are more confident in what they see. They've got a better feel for one guy's speed compared to the others."

    --- All I needed to hear really.

    ForTheGlory90

  • Sounds to me like the first sentence is about the WRs confidence, and the second sentence is about the QBs having better timing with the WRs because they understand that Smith is faster than Moye or Kersey who are faster than Brown. What did you get out of that quote?

    PSUEngr02

  • FireJayPa said...

    A joke is throwing 5 picks in a game and not getting benched.

    Considering that his 5th INT was on the last play of the game, why don't you tell yourself that he was benched? There...all better.

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  • tdiddy said...

    Considering that his 5th INT was on the last play of the game, why don't you tell yourself that he was benched? There...all better.

    Come on Diddy we all saw that game. Kid threw 8 or 9 interceptions, Florida's DBs only caught 5 of them.

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  • PSUEngr02 said...

    Sounds to me like the first sentence is about the WRs confidence, and the second sentence is about the QBs having better timing with the WRs because they understand that Smith is faster than Moye or Kersey who are faster than Brown. What did you get out of that quote?

    Not sure where that quote came from, assume a receiver......but add that to Moye saying he sometimes turns around when MM is throwing and is expecting a RB ball, that tells me there is most certainly a difference between the two. (more in favor of RB from THEIR quotes)

    So those who think it doesn't matter if the receivers get more work with the main guy, they've hinted multiple times it matters, while still trying to be PC. It's obvious for anyone who wants to see it that RB can get the ball there much faster and sharper. Can debate other aspects if u want, but there's no debate in this. And it sounds like it does matter to the receivers. More confident that they don't have to turn, look for the ball, and adjust as much

    md154

  • "Come on Diddy we all saw that game. Kid threw 8 or 9 interceptions, Florida's DBs only caught 5 of them."

    1st, if they had caught the 'almost picks' the ball would have been turned over and he wouldn't have had the opportunity to throw the actual picks - so the number couldn't have been higher.

    2nd, most of the picks and almost picks came on passes to the flat and sidelines in zone coverage. The DBs were reading the routes and baiting him. McGloin should have recognized this and looked for it - but IMO it's more on the coaches for not adjusting the gameplan for McGloin's weakness and Florida's (and MSU's for that matter) scheme to take advantage of it. Overall they did a great job of that with Morelli - I don't know why they didn't help out McGloin in the same way. IMO the 'month to prepare' attack is more on Jay and Galen than it is on McGloin. McGloin wasn't going to learn to read disguised coverages and baiting DBs in one month. The coaches should have adjusted but didn't.

    PSUEngr02

  • PSUTimm said...

    Come on Diddy we all saw that game. Kid threw 8 or 9 interceptions, Florida's DBs only caught 5 of them.

    Did the same vs MSU as well. (even some vs UM that were dropped)

    It's not all about stats, even though MM's looked bad in some games. It's about the dropped one's or the balls that nobody could even get to.

    md154

  • PSUEngr02 said...

    "Come on Diddy we all saw that game. Kid threw 8 or 9 interceptions, Florida's DBs only caught 5 of them."

    1st, if they had caught the 'almost picks' the ball would have been turned over and he wouldn't have had the opportunity to throw the actual picks - so the number couldn't have been higher.

    2nd, most of the picks and almost picks came on passes to the flat and sidelines in zone coverage. The DBs were reading the routes and baiting him. McGloin should have recognized this and looked for it - but IMO it's more on the coaches for not adjusting the gameplan for McGloin's weakness and Florida's (and MSU's for that matter) scheme to take advantage of it. Overall they did a great job of that with Morelli - I don't know why they didn't help out McGloin in the same way. IMO the 'month to prepare' attack is more on Jay and Galen than it is on McGloin. McGloin wasn't going to learn to read disguised coverages and baiting DBs in one month. The coaches should have adjusted but didn't.

    The excuses for MM throwing 5 picks is amazing. It's Galen's fault that MM hasn't been able to figure out how to read a coverage and not be a gunslinger after 3 years on the team?

    Play calls can always be better....but nobody told him to throw into the chest of the defender. We can't defend MM's poor decision making with his gunslinger mentality anymore than we can defend RB's lack of leadership last year. Excusing McGloin's inability to put his "gunslinger" mentality away in a month when he should have done it years ago is just not going to work.

    Although I do blame the staff for putting him out there to begin with. It seems to me that as long as MM has one good drive a game, they will stick with him. Happened vs NW before the half, OSU early, FL, etc.... He does just enough for the coaches to stay with him.

    md154

  • There are highlights of Bolden's and McGloin's throws on youtube. Find me a play where you think Bolden put more on the ball than McGloin could. I wil then find you a play where McGloin threw it just as hard. Again, Dinardo watched them live in practice and couldn't decide who's arm was stronger. If there's a difference - it's not a big one.

    Bolden throws a tighter spiral, and his ball is probably a little faster on average. So the ball would have a different feel when you're trying to catch it. But that doesn't mean that Bolden's arm is drastically stronger than Mcgloin's.

    I agree that having one guy get the first team reps would be beneficial - not just for the WRs but for the OL and the RBs too. They each take a snap differently, have different cadences, have different drop-backs, hand the ball off differently, different play fakes, etc. Everyone in the offense has adjustments to make based on who the QB is. That's one of the drawbacks to a two-QB system. That's why all the players would be happy to know who the QB is, and give that guy the reps. I'm sure the coaches would like that as well. Unfortunately one guy hasn't stepped up and taken the job. Until that happens, they're stuck.

    PSUEngr02

  • PSUEngr02 said...

    There are highlights of Bolden's and McGloin's throws on youtube. Find me a play where you think Bolden put more on the ball than McGloin could. I wil then find you a play where McGloin threw it just as hard. Again, Dinardo watched them live in practice and couldn't decide who's arm was stronger. If there's a difference - it's not a big one.

    Bolden throws a tighter spiral, and his ball is probably a little faster on average. So the ball would have a different feel when you're trying to catch it. But that doesn't mean that Bolden's arm is drastically stronger than Mcgloin's.

    I agree that having one guy get the first team reps would be beneficial - not just for the WRs but for the OL and the RBs too. They each take a snap differently, have different cadences, have different drop-backs, hand the ball off differently, different play fakes, etc. Everyone in the offense has adjustments to make based on who the QB is. That's one of the drawbacks to a two-QB system. That's why all the players would be happy to know who the QB is, and give that guy the reps. I'm sure the coaches would like that as well. Unfortunately one guy hasn't stepped up and taken the job. Until that happens, they're stuck.

    Dinardo >>> 99.9% of other scouts/commentators/coaches

    Sorry, you don't really believe that, do you? There is a clear difference. IF MM had all day to windup and put every ounce he has behind a ball, he can get it there maybe near the same speed.....maybe. Bit it would be wobbly and would not be real life conditions because he'll never have that time to throw it. Bolden can fire it without much effort....which is where the difference is.

    md154

  • "The excuses for MM throwing 5 picks is amazing. It's Galen's fault that MM hasn't been able to figure out how to read a coverage and not be a gunslinger after 3 years on the team?

    Play calls can always be better....but nobody told him to throw into the chest of the defender. We can't defend MM's poor decision making with his gunslinger mentality anymore than we can defend RB's lack of leadership last year. Excusing McGloin's inability to put his "gunslinger" mentality away in a month when he should have done it years ago is just not going to work.

    Although I do blame the staff for putting him out there to begin with. It seems to me that as long as MM has one good drive a game, they will stick with him. Happened vs NW before the half, OSU early, FL, etc.... He does just enough for the coaches to stay with him. "

    No, it's Bolden that had one or two good drives a game. And they rarely ended in points. McGloin had lots of good drives a game, and they usually ended in points. Multiple touchdowns against every defense he faced. More points against Florida's D (which many have called average) than against Iowa, Alabama (9 new starters in their second game) and Illinois (gave up 60 to Michigan) combined - despite all the turnovers.

    Second, what does making bad reads on checkdowns have to do with being a gunslinger? It would be one thing if his picks came from trying to drill the ball straight down the field to his first read through tripple coverage like Favre, but that's not the case. They almost all came from checking away from his first read (and often second and third) and going underneath without seeing the zone coverage there. That's not 'being a gunslinger' because he did't see the defenders in the first place. I've always said that if he can't correct that problem, he shouldn't be starting.

    Of course it's McGloin's fault that he had (and maybe still has) that problem - just like it's Bolden's fault he fumbled a bunch of times every game (he was very lucky only two were actually turned over), threw only two picks and one pick 6 less than McGloin, rarely displayed pocket presence and took way too many big sacks. But it's on the coaches to recognize those deficiencies since they're not going to be corrected in-season, and game plan around them - particularly when you're dealing with guys with very little experience.

    PSUEngr02

  • Dinardo >>> 99.9% of other scouts/commentators/coaches

    Sorry, you don't really believe that, do you? There is a clear difference. IF MM had all day to windup and put every ounce he has behind a ball, he can get it there maybe near the same speed.....maybe. Bit it would be wobbly and would not be real life conditions because he'll never have that time to throw it. Bolden can fire it without much effort....which is where the difference is.

    Now you're just making wild exaggerations to try to prove a point. Bolden's release is faster - but McGloin's isn't slow by any means. Again - there's lots of youtube videos of games from last season. Find examples of plays to back it up - there should be plenty if the differences were really so stark - or admit you're just exaggerating because you want the guy with the stars by his high school evaluation to play.

    PSUEngr02

  • md154 said...

    Did the same vs MSU as well. (even some vs UM that were dropped)

    It's not all about stats, even though MM's looked bad in some games. It's about the dropped one's or the balls that nobody could even get to.

    Yeah that 8-21, 142, pick 6 in a 3 TD home loss to Illinois was awesome too.

    People just can't comprehend the idea that BOTH, yes BOTH QBs played poorly last year. The other politics really don't matter. Neither player's on field performance was up to standard...period.

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  • tdiddy said...

    Yeah that 8-21, 142, pick 6 in a 3 TD home loss to Illinois was awesome too.

    People just can't comprehend the idea that BOTH, yes BOTH QBs played poorly last year. The other politics really don't matter. Neither player's on field performance was up to standard...period.

    Maybe I hid the part in my message where I stated Bolden had great stats?? I'll have to re-check.

    I never ever said Bolden had a great season or better season last year....ever. All I said was one was a true freshman with 6 weeks of practice, while the other was in his 3rd year. How I judge both is not equal when I factor that into play. One is much less experienced in the system while the other is a lot more experienced in the system.

    md154