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  • IMO we have no idea what kind of an offensive mind O'Brien is. If he pushed to draft both TEs than he deserves credit for the vision but if he is utilizing them because they are his best players than does he deserve credit for the offense. Its hard to judge his playcalling when its for Tom Brady who has played at a HOF caliber no matter who is coach is. Especially when you look at his offenses prior to having Brady. So has O'Brien been successful because of TB or did he evolve into a very sharp offensive mind since leaving college. I think the point is we just don't know but we will find out soon.

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  • Gunslinger317 said...

    IMO we have no idea what kind of an offensive mind O'Brien is. If he pushed to draft both TEs than he deserves credit for the vision but if he is utilizing them because they are his best players than does he deserve credit for the offense. Its hard to judge his playcalling when its for Tom Brady who has played at a HOF caliber no matter who is coach is. Especially when you look at his offenses prior to having Brady. So has O'Brien been successful because of TB or did he evolve into a very sharp offensive mind since leaving college. I think the point is we just don't know but we will find out soon.

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  • psu2013 said...

    We cant analyze BOBs playcalling abilities with one of the greatest QB's ever.

    We will really know how good he is this fall, see how he adjuts with using Silas as co.

    I think it's a lot easier to analyze BOB's grasp of x's and o's with someone that consistently executes like Brady than it will be with McGloin, Bolden, or Jones.
    I honestly don't understand how you already can't see that he keeps defenses off balance using a varied passing attack. Did you think it was hard to see his play calling talent a few weeks ago when they lit up the Broncos and were wildly creative in doing so. Your point about Silas is valid, though, since the Pats don't utilize the run as much.

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  • BOB is not stupid.
    He utilized the TEs in NE because they were the best weapons on the offense.
    He will feature Silas Redd for that same reason - he is far and away our best offensive player.

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  • RWC5113 said...

    BOB is not stupid. He utilized the TEs in NE because they were the best weapons on the offense. He will feature Silas Redd for that same reason - he is far and away our best offensive player.

    He has no choice but to feature Redd this year. His offense is predicated on a solid QB and solid TEs. We don't have guys that really can do what is necessary at those two positions on the roster right now. There is a huge opening for recruits to make impact early in their careers - especially for next year's class.

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  • I am completely confident that when Penn State gets the right mix of talent we will be high scoring offense and BOB will have no problem drawing up successful game plans against college defenses.
    If there is a debate to be had, it should focus more around what kind of HC he will be and if calling the plays and being a 1st time HC will be too much to handle.
    Some of you are debating whether or not the guy that designed the offense for the SB runner up and 3rd highest scoring team in the NFL is a good play caller?! Seriously.

    philapsu

  • philapsu said...

    Some of you are debating whether or not the guy that designed the offense for the SB runner up and 3rd highest scoring team in the NFL is a good play caller?! Seriously.

    So if we follow this logic, we can then assume that Charlie Weiss was very successful at Notre Dame. No? Well then he at least turned Florida into an offensive jauggernaut. Well, at least Josh McDaniels built an incredible offense in Denver.

    I'm hoping for the best, but I have to see something at PSU before I'm sold.

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  • An Actual Lion said...

    So if we follow this logic, we can then assume that Charlie Weiss was very successful at Notre Dame. No? Well then he at least turned Florida into an offensive jauggernaut. Well, at least Josh McDaniels built an incredible offense in Denver.

    I'm hoping for the best, but I have to see something at PSU before I'm sold.

    Charlie's teams had no problems scoring.

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  • psujmc1992 said...

    Charlie's teams had no problems scoring.

    Florida?

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  • An Actual Lion said...

    So if we follow this logic, we can then assume that Charlie Weiss was very successful at Notre Dame. No? Well then he at least turned Florida into an offensive jauggernaut. Well, at least Josh McDaniels built an incredible offense in Denver.

    I'm hoping for the best, but I have to see something at PSU before I'm sold.

    When you get the correct players on the field to run your offense then the talent is easy to spot. McDaniel had a short stint in Denver and his issue was player evaluation and personality conflicts. Not play calling. Weis was at Florida for a year. He had some great offenses at ND but couldn't get his Defense straight. Quinn (1 year) and Clausen were lights out once they got comfortable in his system. Do your homework.

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  • sneakypete said...

    Florida?

    At ND. I didn't follow Florida enough last year to know about their talent level. I have to imagine they were physically outmatched by at least 3-4 teams on their schedule (if not more).

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  • philapsu said...

    When you get the correct players on the field to run your offense then the talent is easy to spot. McDaniel had a short stint in Denver and his issue was player evaluation and personality conflicts. Not play calling. Weis was at Florida for a year. He had some great offenses at ND but couldn't get his Defense straight. Quinn (1 year) and Clausen were lights out once they got comfortable in his system. Do your homework.

    No need for the condescending shot at the end of your post, but I can show you my homework. Weiss had good offenses at ND as long as Brady Quinn and Anthony Fasano were on the field. After they left, his world-beating offense managed to get shutout by BC in 2008, score 23 points against one of the worst Syracuse teams in history, score 3 points against USC, and 7 points against Michigan State. In 2009, they scored 21 points against Navy. His success can directly correlated to Tom Brady and Brady Quinn.

    If BOB consistently signs talent like Brenneman, Foster, develops Bolden and the plethora of O-line talent on the roster I have no doubt he will be successful. To call him an offensive genius because he ran a successful offense for one year at New England through elite talent doesn't make sense to me.

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  • An Actual Lion said...

    No need for the condescending shot at the end of your post, but I can show you my homework. Weiss had good offenses at ND as long as Brady Quinn and Anthony Fasano were on the field. After they left, his world-beating offense managed to get shutout by BC in 2008, score 23 points against one of the worst Syracuse teams in history, score 3 points against USC, and 7 points against Michigan State. In 2009, they scored 21 points against Navy. His success can directly correlated to Tom Brady and Brady Quinn.

    If BOB consistently signs talent like Brenneman, Foster, develops Bolden and the plethora of O-line talent on the roster I have no doubt he will be successful. To call him an offensive genius because he ran a successful offense for one year at New England through elite talent doesn't make sense to me.

    Don't pin Bolden on him... that is unfair. Bolden is a mess and will need more than a new coach to get him on track to be a valid D1 QB.

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  • An Actual Lion said...

    No need for the condescending shot at the end of your post, but I can show you my homework. Weiss had good offenses at ND as long as Brady Quinn and Anthony Fasano were on the field. After they left, his world-beating offense managed to get shutout by BC in 2008, score 23 points against one of the worst Syracuse teams in history, score 3 points against USC, and 7 points against Michigan State. In 2009, they scored 21 points against Navy. His success can directly correlated to Tom Brady and Brady Quinn.

    If BOB consistently signs talent like Brenneman, Foster, develops Bolden and the plethora of O-line talent on the roster I have no doubt he will be successful. To call him an offensive genius because he ran a successful offense for one year at New England through elite talent doesn't make sense to me.

    First of all, did you read your original post that was literate with sarcasm before you criticized me for being condescending. Second of all, in Weis final year Clausen threw for something like 28 tds to 4 ints and got drafted high second round. I'd say that's pretty good offense. That's post Anthony Fasano.
    Finally, are you really going to pluck out individual games and try to make a point that Weis isn't a good offensive coach? You could do that with anyone positively or negatively. ND's main issue during his tenure was Defense. Ask anyone

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  • philapsu said...

    First of all, did you read your original post that was literate with sarcasm before you criticized me for being condescending. Second of all, in Weis final year Clausen threw for something like 28 tds to 4 ints and got drafted high second round. I'd say that's pretty good offense. That's post Anthony Fasano. Finally, are you really going to pluck out individual games and try to make a point that Weis isn't a good offensive coach? You could do that with anyone positively or negatively. ND's main issue during his tenure was Defense. Ask anyone

    I followed through the logic of your post that getting to the Super Bowl and being the third ranked offense in the NFL with Tom Brady equals success as an offensive coach elsewhere. I didn't take a patronizing tone with you as you did me.

    The fact that you can handpick multiple games against inferior opponents where Notre Dame was God awful on offense should say something about the differences between running an offense through Tom Brady and constructing an offense as a head coach in college. Notre Dame should never be shutout by Boston College or be held to 21 points by a service academy in the same season, especially not with the talent that Weiss was able to recruit.

    BOB has had one year calling plays with New England. During that year, arguably the greatest QB of the decade had the final say on plays at the LOS. Are you really going to pluck out individual seasons and try to make a point that BOB is a great playcaller? You could do that with anyone positively or negatively. Based on 2005 and 2008, JayPa must be a solid offensive coach. New England's main asset during BOB's tenure was Tom Brady. Ask anyone.

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  • sneakypete said...

    Thought he looked much better then average tonight. Did you miss the 16 in a row?

    I'm not saying that is bad, in fact I was in agreement with your earlier post, for the most part. My point was that when you look at their undefeated team a few years back, in that SB, the NY defense did enough to shut them down. In this game, again, the NY defense did enough to shut them down. QB isn't the same as the right guard. Sure, you can say, hey he played a pretty good game, just didn't get the job done here and there, but he mostly played well. I agree with that, but if you build your offense on the premise that the QB usually needs to play a great game to win, then the offense and in effect Brady were only average. He can't just play ok, he needs to be great, he's their team, sure he completed 16 in a row or whatever, but look at the line, Eli vs Brady.... Brady was outplayed in this one, even with 16 in a row. You live by the sword......

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