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Bolden injury?

  • If he can't play a little hurt or if we have to dissect each of his bad throws and offer explanations for them, what the hell is he doing with a scholarship to a Division I school? I am done with Bolden..I was at the game...no excitement, no leadership, no accuracy, and the crowd cheered when MM came in the game. This "competition" should be over, and if our beloved JoePa continues with the two QB system then he should be fired for being an idiot. This is the key stretch of the season. We need to settle on MM and call the plays that suit his abilities. Can someone please get some common sense on our staff?

    ...and if you're not down with that, then I got 2 words for ya.."suck it!!"

    paupacklion

  • md154 said...

    That's just nonsense. He has never been as innaccurate as you seem to believe. The pass to Brown was the worst he's ever had. Most other completions were because he threw too hard or drops, not because he was horribly inaccurate.

    md154, here is what I don't get. Why are you making him out to be an accurate passer when that has never really been a strength of his? Bolden's Sr. year stats were 72 for 152 (47%) for 1013 yards and 7 tds. Now, he also ran a lot more in HS than he has in college, and while I get he was not at a passing school, he did have a D1 receiver on his side of the ball. As a freshman, he was 58% accuracy, however, there was very little film available early in the season for DC to prepare for him. Most analysis of him were that he had a major league arm, but need help with his touch and getting air under the ball for long throws. Again, not really much different than what we see today.

    I am not anti-Bolden at all. I have wanted him to step up and be the guy, but he has not done that. Is the playcalling helping him???? Probably not. However, he can't continue to throw screens that are horrible and going to get a receiver killed, or balls behind receivers or at ref's feet, and expect to still be in the game. That has nothing to do with playcalling, but it is execution.

    Bolden was not Jimmy Claussen coming out of high school (not that I liked that kid at all) so please everyone stop making it like he was this kid that had all of these skills and put up huge numbers and has regressed. He performed well last year, even though he should have been redshirted. Unfortunately, he has not improved and I believe he is mentally shot right now.

    PSUJim

  • paupacklion said...

    If he can't play a little hurt or if we have to dissect each of his bad throws and offer explanations for them, what the hell is he doing with a scholarship to a Division I school? I am done with Bolden..I was at the game...no excitement, no leadership, no accuracy, and the crowd cheered when MM came in the game. This "competition" should be over, and if our beloved JoePa continues with the two QB system then he should be fired for being an idiot. This is the key stretch of the season. We need to settle on MM and call the plays that suit his abilities. Can someone please get some common sense on our staff?

    The same crowd that chanted his name a few weeks ago?

    Come on now...crowds change their person on a gamely basis.

    Pretty sure all coaches dissect each QB's throws and look at whether it was a smart decision but bad throw, bad decision and bad throw, bad footwork, bad read, etc...

    His accuracy was off last week, no doubt. But I take a few positives from it that I know MM fans won't do....

    1) On his screen pass, he retreated back to give himself more time like he should. First time he's done that.
    2) A couple bad passes were actually very smart decisions in the face of pressure. First pass to Suhey he was about to be pounded but threw to the sideline rather than forcing down field. The pass that hit the ump was a smart toss to the check down receiver in the face of pressure again. Bad throws? Yes..but smart decisions which is important.

    RB is clearly missing a couple things and he'll be fine. Missing some touch on short passes, which can come with reps AND coaching. And he can spend some time moving the pocket himself a little like MM does. I think someone drilled him in the head to stay in the pocket, so he does. He has natural ability to move, he showed it on his run for 9 yards. he just needs to do that when throwing too.

    All comes with reps.

    md154

  • md154 said...

    The same crowd that chanted his name a few weeks ago?

    Come on now...crowds change their person on a gamely basis.

    Pretty sure all coaches dissect each QB's throws and look at whether it was a smart decision but bad throw, bad decision and bad throw, bad footwork, bad read, etc...

    His accuracy was off last week, no doubt. But I take a few positives from it that I know MM fans won't do....

    1) On his screen pass, he retreated back to give himself more time like he should. First time he's done that. 2) A couple bad passes were actually very smart decisions in the face of pressure. First pass to Suhey he was about to be pounded but threw to the sideline rather than forcing down field. The pass that hit the ump was a smart toss to the check down receiver in the face of pressure again. Bad throws? Yes..but smart decisions which is important.

    RB is clearly missing a couple things and he'll be fine. Missing some touch on short passes, which can come with reps AND coaching. And he can spend some time moving the pocket himself a little like MM does. I think someone drilled him in the head to stay in the pocket, so he does. He has natural ability to move, he showed it on his run for 9 yards. he just needs to do that when throwing too.

    All comes with reps.

    md154, please tell me how many reps someone needs to throw a screen pass? How many reps does someone need to hit a wide open receiver standing in the middle of the field???? I mean, really, game experience is certainly important. However, at what point do you stop making excuses for someone based on reps?????

    For timing routes or out patterns where guys are making their breaks and you have to throw the ball before they are looking - I can see MAYBE a little bit. But come on, someone should have enough reps in a few practices to make some of the throws that he is missing. Reps have NOTHING to do with RB's issues right now, so please stop saying that. He has played for nearly 1 1/2 seasons, which is more than some kids play in a whole career in college. Yes he is young, but his issues are in his confidence. He may be better with different coaching, but he has to make the best of what he has right now or it won't really matter much.

    PSUJim

  • PSUJim said...

    md154, please tell me how many reps someone needs to throw a screen pass? How many reps does someone need to hit a wide open receiver standing in the middle of the field???? I mean, really, game experience is certainly important. However, at what point do you stop making excuses for someone based on reps?????

    For timing routes or out patterns where guys are making their breaks and you have to throw the ball before they are looking - I can see MAYBE a little bit. But come on, someone should have enough reps in a few practices to make some of the throws that he is missing. Reps have NOTHING to do with RB's issues right now, so please stop saying that. He has played for nearly 1 1/2 seasons, which is more than some kids play in a whole career in college. Yes he is young, but his issues are in his confidence. He may be better with different coaching, but he has to make the best of what he has right now or it won't really matter much.

    Reps have nothing to do with it? How do you learn anything in life? How do you learn math or reading? By reps. You don't learn by someone saying "hey, try this once, got it now?" He may do these things well in practice, but once game starts, perhaps he tenses up and struggles a little then. Reps do matter in that case as he gets more comfortable making that screen pass with actual real life pressure coming after him that is allowed to hit him. Reps most certainly matter with screen passes. Nobody hits him in practice.

    It also matters with timing and seeing the lineman release.

    Hitting an open guy in the middle matters if there is pressure in your face.

    There's no doubt he needs work on some of these things, I've never said he didn't. But to dismiss the value of reps is just not accurate. More reps, more confidence. Simple as that. The more you are exposed to something, and the more you are allowed to keep being exposed to it, the more likely you will to concur it. If exposed to something once or twice, and then not again...you will struggle.

    md154

  • This isn't peewee ball and you don't keep getting reps in hopes you get better. At some point you are expected to produce. In my opinion Bolden is lucky to get any snaps this weekend, let alone start the game. Joe must have really had to talk them into staying for him to allow this to keep going on right now. Most see MM has limitations, but he at least can see pressure and doesn't throw a rocket on a 5 foot pass. Injury aside this may be Rob's last week to see reps if he has another subpar showing. Reps are not required, they have to be earned as well. We all were hopeful that Rob would step it up and take the job this year, he hasn't. That isn't on MM or Joe...it's on him at some point in time. Just like it's on him to win it.

    This post was edited by LaJollaLion on 10/12/2011 at 3:11 PM

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  • LaJollaLion said...

    This isn't peewee ball and you don't keep getting reps in hopes you get better. At some point you are expected to produce. In my opinion Bolden is lucky to get any snaps this weekend, let alone start the game. Joe must have really had to talk them into staying for him to allow this to keep going on right now. Most see MM has limitations, but he at least can see pressure and doesn't throw a rocket on a 5 foot pass. Injury aside this may be Rob's last week to see reps if he has another subpar showing. Reps are not required, they have to be earned as well. We all were hopeful that Rob would step it up and take the job this year, he hasn't. That isn't on MM or Joe...it's on him at some point in time. Just like it's on him to win it.

    You're under the impression that starting is a positive for him. I think the exact opposite. If I were MM, I'd keep wanting him to start so I could keep watching the defense before I go into the game. Let him take the beat down from the blitz schemes being run, and let him set up a run game.

    md154

  • LaJollaLion said...

    This isn't peewee ball and you don't keep getting reps in hopes you get better. At some point you are expected to produce. In my opinion Bolden is lucky to get any snaps this weekend, let alone start the game. Joe must have really had to talk them into staying for him to allow this to keep going on right now. Most see MM has limitations, but he at least can see pressure and doesn't throw a rocket on a 5 foot pass. Injury aside this may be Rob's last week to see reps if he has another subpar showing. Reps are not required, they have to be earned as well. We all were hopeful that Rob would step it up and take the job this year, he hasn't. That isn't on MM or Joe...it's on him at some point in time. Just like it's on him to win it.

    This whole story is just driving me absolutely crazy.

    Joe wanted to get Clark more reps but didn't, wished he had given Robinson more reps when Mills was around (but didn't). All of a sudden he's afraid to name a QB a starter and give him all of the reps. I'd love to know what promises he made to Blocker so he wouldn't transfer.

    FireJayPa

  • That might almost make sense, if defenses played both QBs the same way. But the thing is, they don't. So McGloin watching the defense attack Bolden is only of limited value, and vice versa.

    PSUEngr02

  • md154 said...

    You're under the impression that starting is a positive for him. I think the exact opposite. If I were MM, I'd keep wanting him to start so I could keep watching the defense before I go into the game. Let him take the beat down from the blitz schemes being run, and let him set up a run game.

    Not buying that at all. He also comes in later on in the game too sometimes. It's not fair for either QB but you only tend to make excuses for one. Bottom line is MM will make mistakes, but he is playing more confident football right now. The team is 5-1 and you can't coddle the soph anymore in hopes he gets it. He had his time on the pot...it's about time to get off.

    This post was edited by LaJollaLion on 10/12/2011 at 6:24 PM

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    LaJollaLion

  • md154 said...

    You're under the impression that starting is a positive for him. I think the exact opposite. If I were MM, I'd keep wanting him to start so I could keep watching the defense before I go into the game. Let him take the beat down from the blitz schemes being run, and let him set up a run game.

    MM already has done those things..and has had some success doing it...... moreso than Rob anyway.

    I suppose him actually seeing the blitz coming helps a bit as well. He sees pressure better so far.

    I kinda wanna see if Rob can have success that way, as the 'good back up to have' comment will be under board discussion as to whether its prophetic or not lol (lay up I know)

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  • LaJollaLion said...

    Not buying that at all. He also comes in later on in the game too sometimes. It's not fair for either QB but you only tend to make excuses for one. Bottom line is MM will make mistakes, but he is playing more confident football right now. The team is 5-1 and you can't coddle the soph anymore in hopes he gets it. He had his time on the pot...it's about time to get off.

    Can't dismiss your perspective. I just don't know if we go 8-4 under MM or 10-2 under RB or vice versa. From what I've seen so far I can understand the missiveness of the coaching staff. So we go with the current 2 and finsh what? 6-6, 7-5, or 9-3? I still dunno, but the 2011 team strength is based on DEE-FENCE and as long as we stay strong there, with no more major injuries, then the sky's the limit. And I have to believe that with each game, the O gets more experience, even if they make a step backward like they did last Satruday. I don't think we can get any worse overall, and that gives me confidence.

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  • FireJayPa said...

    I agree 100% that it's all up in his thought locker; however, I'm not going to throw this 100% on Jay (and everyone knows how much I dislike that guy).

    To me it looks a lot like golf. You have a bad tee-shot (slice/hook) and you panic, then the next thing you want to do is have a perfect shot to get back on the fairway and try to save par. But then you screw up and you're in the rough/sand/whatever - you have a bad hole and go , I'll just crush the next tee shot and get back on track. The next thing you know, you're pressing so bad you don't even remember the last time you had a good round. It becomes a job that you don't even enjoy.

    At this point it looks like Bolden is pressing so hard out there that he's a total headcase. My advice (as ill-advised as that normally is) is to get a sports shrink to talk to him and get this all figured out. He has the tangibles (height/speed/strength/etc) he just needs to fight those demons in his head.

    And believe me, I get it - it can't be easy for him. Going from highschool where he was the man, to starting at a D1 program out of the gate and then losing his job. Trying to adjust to the academics, make friends, have time for family and then everything else. It can't be easy for him right now.

    Have you been spying on my golf game?

    A note to the "bands" thing. The wrap on Bolden's bicep was not one of the small bands that many players wear to accentuate their biceps, like Clark did, but it was a wide wrap of at least two to three inches over the middle of the bicep. The bands that many players wear are worn above or below the bicep to "show off" the muscle development. That was not the case in the medical bandage wrap Bolden was wearing on Saturday. Something must have happened to his arm. Whether it was enough to impact his throwing motion or any other factor was not mentioned by anyone and I don't remember any reports on that question being asked during the post game PC or Tuesday.

    We are all in the dark as to what happened and what it portends. Hope he is OK.

    FG Dreadnought

  • FG Dreadnought said...

    Have you been spying on my golf game?

    A note to the "bands" thing. The wrap on Bolden's bicep was not one of the small bands that many players wear to accentuate their biceps, like Clark did, but it was a wide wrap of at least two to three inches over the middle of the bicep. The bands that many players wear are worn above or below the bicep to "show off" the muscle development. That was not the case in the medical bandage wrap Bolden was wearing on Saturday. Something must have happened to his arm. Whether it was enough to impact his throwing motion or any other factor was not mentioned by anyone and I don't remember any reports on that question being asked during the post game PC or Tuesday.

    We are all in the dark as to what happened and what it portends. Hope he is OK.

    That is correct. It was a brown medical wrap, not the black Nike bands that many players wear. So something definitely was up. he took a shot directly on that spot on the pass he completed to the Ump.

    I have zero doubt it probably affected him a bit on his last few throws and there is no way he's going to be like "yeah it hurts...take me out so I can just watch MM be given the job again like last year."

    md154

  • md154 said...

    That is correct. It was a brown medical wrap, not the black Nike bands that many players wear. So something definitely was up. he took a shot directly on that spot on the pass he completed to the Ump.

    I have zero doubt it probably affected him a bit on his last few throws and there is no way he's going to be like "yeah it hurts...take me out so I can just watch MM be given the job again like last year."

    are you really schocked? I mean many players in every sport lose there job because of injury or having a bad game, it sucks but that how it is. Bolden might of been shocked because he's probably never been benched until he got to college.

    kdog