Online Now 786

The Lions' Pride

Black shoes, basic blues. No names, all game

On this Board 492
Record: 4947 (7/23/2012)

Online now 748
Record: 7381 (3/13/2012)

Boards ▾

The Lions' Pride

Black shoes, basic blues. No names, all game

Ticket Exchange

Buy, sell and swap tickets

Reply

Board of Trustees statement on removal of Paterno and Spanier

  • HolyLion said...

    If "failure of leadership" is the standard by which one gets fired, all of these people deserve to lose their jobs.

    And Corbett should be removed from office.

    signature image

    “We need to keep this (expletive) together,” Mauti and Zordich to Hill

    psujmc1992

  • white_out said...

    It is my understanding that had joe called the police and not got curley and schultz in the loop he would have violated university and state protocol, and subject to immediate dismissal and possible fines and jail time.

    Maybe i am misunderstanding the policies

    Nope, this is how it was explained to my son, who's degree is in secondary education. BTW...it was explained this way by his prof at PENN STATE!

    dshellpsu

  • psujmc1992 said...

    And Corbett should be removed from office.

    I really think this situation is going to cost him his second term, not that it was a given to start with. There is no way he can justify his or the BOT's actions or non-actions to the people of Pennsylvania. Every time either one of them opens their mouths they just harden peoples' resolve. I would not vote for him no matter who he runs against.

    How can Joe have been fired for a lack of leadership when he was following policy, AND his superiors who did not have NOT been fired?

    signature image

    Old Coaly

  • Old Coaly said...

    I really think this situation is going to cost him his second term, not that it was a given to start with. There is no way he can justify his or the BOT's actions or non-actions to the people of Pennsylvania. Every time either one of them opens their mouths they just harden peoples' resolve. I would not vote for him no matter who he runs against.

    How can Joe have been fired for a lack of leadership when he was following policy, AND his superiors who did not have NOT been fired?

    Did they ever think that maybe the policy was faulty?????? huh

    dshellpsu

  • I would rather them just be honest and say that they terminated him due to the media firestorm. That I can at least understand (even if I don't agree with it). I just hate seeing this BS be presented to the public as an official statement. It's a whole bunch of nothing and is totally gutless.

    getmyjive11

  • What a pile of manure. CYA for BOT.

    Nittany Sluggo

  • getmyjive11 said...

    I would rather them just be honest and say that they terminated him due to the media firestorm. That I can at least understand (even if I don't agree with it). I just hate seeing this BS be presented to the public as an official statement. It's a whole bunch of nothing and is totally gutless.

    Agreed. They pretty much did right after they fired him but now have decided they need to prove they aren't the spineless cowards that the Penn St family portrays them to be. In the end when you read through all the conjecture and sentamental hogwash it still boils down they fired JoePa based on a one sided document that he appeared in for a paragraph. He did the right thing legally and followed their policy. Combine that and over 40 yrs of loyal service and it didn't even buy him a chance to talk them before they made their decision.

    Please forgive us for not being able to buy this crap. Now go away and take Corbett with you.

    Gunslinger317

  • Pathetic..... The BOT should just let that grand Old Man rest in peace already... Haven't they done enough?

    Why drudge this all back up now. Great exciting weekend, new recruits, a new Coach who not only wants to continue our storied tradition but build upon it, enthusiasm is in the air, and they got to dredge this up again....

    The BOT need to go and please lets hope they take Corbett with them. If what I am reading over on Penn Live is correct, the defense has a chance to get this case thrown out and it will be mainly based on sloppy work from the AG's office. This GJ report should never have been released to the public without specifcs.They either have dates with no victim, or victims and no dates. Hate to say it, if the AG office is unable to pin point date and time of these alleged crimes, I honestly can't see how they can win a conviction.

    Ok, I'm done griping. Back to my happy feeling over the start of our recruiting class.

    escape

  • Sooooo, judging by this statement from the BOT, I can "reasonably infer" (their own words regarding Joe's actions) that they believe that the Duke Lacrosse players, and their head coach, deserved to have their scholarships revoked and be fired respectively; based on the "Grand Jury Presentment."
    After all, the "Grand Jury Presentment" was certainly credible and right in line with what actually happened in that case.... right?

    Seriously, I %*^&ing hate every last one of these people. They know they &$#^ed up, and are trying to cover their pompous asses, and truly believe we're all a bunch of idiots.

    signature image

    Follow me on Twitter @rayraycotto

    RWC5113

  • The Paterno family has released a statement in response to the Board of Trustees latest bullshit.

    http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/03/paterno_family_releases_statem.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

    While they are right on the money, I would've been much more harsh.

    signature image

    Follow me on Twitter @rayraycotto

    RWC5113

  • This release, if honest, would only be one sentence long.

    "Joe Paterno was fired because we needed a fall guy for a corrupt governor and an incompetent Board of Trustees".

    NitsAndNats

  • I think everything they said was reasonable, and I believe Joe Paterno should have been relieved from a position of leadership. They just failed to mention how the entire board of trustees themselves, especially the governor, should have been fired for the same reason. Lack of leadership or whatever.

    signature image

    More than just football

    thefonz

  • family responds: The statement:
    "The Paterno family is surprised and saddened that the Board of Trustees believes it is necessary and appropriate to explain -- for the fourth or fifth time -- why they fired Joe Paterno so suddenly and unjustifiably on Nov 9, 2011.
    "The latest statement is yet another attempt by the board to deflect criticism of their leadership by trying to focus the blame on Joe Paterno. This is not fair to Joe's legacy; it is not consistent with the facts; and it does not serve the best interests of the university. The board's latest statement reaffirms that they did not conduct a thorough investigation of their own and engaged in a rush to judgment.
    "At various times, university officials have said that they fired Joe Paterno. At other times they have said they didn't fire him. They have simultaneously accused him of moral and leadership failures, and praised him for the high standards he set for the university.
    "The tough questions that have yet to be addressed relate not to Joe Paterno, but to the board. Two months ago, as Joe Paterno was dying, the board conducted a series of media interviews condemning him for 'moral' failures. Now they are trying a different tack and accusing him of 'leadership' failures.
    "The question we would ask is simply this, when will the board step up and acknowledge that the ultimate responsibility for this crisis is theirs? Everyone who cares about Penn State is longing for strong, courageous, honest leadership. Today's statement is anything but that."

    signature image signature image signature image

    Pasik2004

  • Both sides need to stop the infighting. The football program is doing its part to move forward and help us all heal....now the leadership and "guilty" parties all need to work together to heal and move forward. The real guilty party will have his day in court.

    signature image signature image signature image

    Pasik2004

  • Hope the press release was from the AG Building because. it's nothing but "BULL SHIT".

    pipedope

  • Hi all. I decided to share my thoughts with the BOT after their statement yesterday. Here's what I said:

    To the Penn State Board of Trustees:

    Having read the statement you issued yesterday, and having taken some time to digest it, I must say that I am now more disappointed and angry with you, the "leadership" at Penn State, than ever.

    Your statement spoke to "failure of leadership" by Dr. Spanier and Coach Paterno. Let's think for a moment about the leadership that some not named in your statement showed during those horrible days in early November.

    1) Where were you, the Board of Trustees, when a voice was needed as events broke in November? As alumni and students we needed you to provide leadership and direction for our university. Since that time, you have only managed to speak at times when you should have remained silent. You left the University and PSU community to fend for itself in those first days, and now you are reopening the wounds and leaving us to fend for ourselves again with this statement. Your actions yesterday have stirred up strong negative sentiment with all of us and thrust a negative view of Penn State back into the local, state and national news. Many of my friends are considering pulling all support for the University until we see meaningful change. I have advised against this to date, but I am rapidly changing my mind. I would hate to see our school suffer, but it is beginning to appear that this may be the only action that will make a difference.

    2) If Dr. Spanier and Coach Paterno were at fault for "failure to lead", why was nothing said about Mr. Curley or Mr. Schultz? Unless I am mistaken, Coach Paterno reported the incident to both of these individuals. I also believe that Mr. Schultz was the head of the University Police Force (a sanctioned law enforcement body in Pennsylvania). So exactly how was this NOT reported to the authorities.

    3) Who approved the policy that led Coach Paterno to take the 2002 incident up the "chain of command"? Is the Board of Trustees not reviewing University Policy and making it clear to all university employees exactly what should be done in cases like this? That to me is also "failure to lead". Are you not aware that this same policy is what is being taught to our education majors before they head out to teach in our schools? If this is wrong, why haven't you, our "leaders" taken steps to make this right?

    4) Why was nothing said about the inaction of Governor Corbett? After all, he seems to have strong opinions that he is willing to share with any who will listen. How can you expect us to believe that the board was not informed of these events when the individual who began the prosecution was sitting on the board at that time? Is this not also "failure to lead"?

    5) It appears that the board has various ties to the Second Mile, including contributions, attendance at events, etc. Why were you, the board, unable to discern that there may have been issues with Mr. Sandusky, when it appears that you believe others should have been able to do this?

    6) Since when, is a Grand Jury presentment, a document clearly written with a prejudice to allow prosecution, considered "all the evidence needed" to make a decision? I believe the presentment was 26 pages, representing testimony from a grand jury hearing that went on for years. It would seem to me that "all the evidence needed" would be found once a trial occurs.

    It has become obvious to me that you, the board, are only concerned about covering your backsides and protecting yourselves from criticism. Is that not "failure to lead"? I'm sorry, but based on your actions of the past several months, I must conclude that you, the Board of Trustees have failed to lead Penn State. I respectfully ask that you all consider, as individuals, the option to step down from your positions on the Board as soon as possible, or to at least decide to leave after your current term expires. This will allow the alumni, students, faculty, and friends of Penn State to begin to return our University closer to the principles and "the core values that have always made Penn State a great university."

    dshellpsu

  • Could not have said it better. Plus 1000 to you!

    Mjdm

  • dshellpsu said...

    Hi all. I decided to share my thoughts with the BOT after their statement yesterday. Here's what I said:

    To the Penn State Board of Trustees:

    Having read the statement you issued yesterday, and having taken some time to digest it, I must say that I am now more disappointed and angry with you, the "leadership" at Penn State, than ever.

    Your statement spoke to "failure of leadership" by Dr. Spanier and Coach Paterno. Let's think for a moment about the leadership that some not named in your statement showed during those horrible days in early November.

    1) Where were you, the Board of Trustees, when a voice was needed as events broke in November? As alumni and students we needed you to provide leadership and direction for our university. Since that time, you have only managed to speak at times when you should have remained silent. You left the University and PSU community to fend for itself in those first days, and now you are reopening the wounds and leaving us to fend for ourselves again with this statement. Your actions yesterday have stirred up strong negative sentiment with all of us and thrust a negative view of Penn State back into the local, state and national news. Many of my friends are considering pulling all support for the University until we see meaningful change. I have advised against this to date, but I am rapidly changing my mind. I would hate to see our school suffer, but it is beginning to appear that this may be the only action that will make a difference.

    2) If Dr. Spanier and Coach Paterno were at fault for "failure to lead", why was nothing said about Mr. Curley or Mr. Schultz? Unless I am mistaken, Coach Paterno reported the incident to both of these individuals. I also believe that Mr. Schultz was the head of the University Police Force (a sanctioned law enforcement body in Pennsylvania). So exactly how was this NOT reported to the authorities.

    3) Who approved the policy that led Coach Paterno to take the 2002 incident up the "chain of command"? Is the Board of Trustees not reviewing University Policy and making it clear to all university employees exactly what should be done in cases like this? That to me is also "failure to lead". Are you not aware that this same policy is what is being taught to our education majors before they head out to teach in our schools? If this is wrong, why haven't you, our "leaders" taken steps to make this right?

    4) Why was nothing said about the inaction of Governor Corbett? After all, he seems to have strong opinions that he is willing to share with any who will listen. How can you expect us to believe that the board was not informed of these events when the individual who began the prosecution was sitting on the board at that time? Is this not also "failure to lead"?

    5) It appears that the board has various ties to the Second Mile, including contributions, attendance at events, etc. Why were you, the board, unable to discern that there may have been issues with Mr. Sandusky, when it appears that you believe others should have been able to do this?

    6) Since when, is a Grand Jury presentment, a document clearly written with a prejudice to allow prosecution, considered "all the evidence needed" to make a decision? I believe the presentment was 26 pages, representing testimony from a grand jury hearing that went on for years. It would seem to me that "all the evidence needed" would be found once a trial occurs.

    It has become obvious to me that you, the board, are only concerned about covering your backsides and protecting yourselves from criticism. Is that not "failure to lead"? I'm sorry, but based on your actions of the past several months, I must conclude that you, the Board of Trustees have failed to lead Penn State. I respectfully ask that you all consider, as individuals, the option to step down from your positions on the Board as soon as possible, or to at least decide to leave after your current term expires. This will allow the alumni, students, faculty, and friends of Penn State to begin to return our University closer to the principles and "the core values that have always made Penn State a great university."

    This. +1

    Twitter: @PrashunGhosh

    PKG

  • I wish each member of the Board of UN-Trustees would just pull their lips over their heads and swallow. Tired of hearing them open their mouths and spewing their BS.

    Lionhearted

  • I am not an alumni, but I too was appalled by PSU Board of Trestees actions.

    This post was edited by TpaFan on 3/13/2012 at 7:44 AM

    TpaFan

  • My letter to the BOCowards. I have no idea if it makes an impact on the board but I feel much better. I encourage everyone to write their concerns.

    Board Members,
    I recently had an opportunity to read the news release, Report of the Board of Trustees concerning November, 9th decisions. Much to my dismay the release contained no new information that I could glean. The entirety of the report was a rehash of information readily available to most people concerned enough to seek the information. This leads me to have a concern as to why the document was released at this time or anytime.

    I have previously written my concerns to the board regarding my opinion that the Penn State Board of Trustees did not handle the November events to the best of the ability that I would expect from such an esteemed group of individuals. As time heals all wounds, such has been the case regarding the press and public opinion regarding Penn State. Recent news that I have read puts Penn State in a positive light. Hence the question, why release this document? What added value to Penn State would it provide?

    I see no redeeming value for this document to have been published. The release has reopened wounds that had begun to heal. The press since the release has caused a reliving of the unfortunate events prior to November, a rehash of the boards poor leadership in November, a less than positive response from the Paterno’s, an opportunity for ESPN to provide negative publicity toward Penn State yet again and further agitation of Penn State supporters and alumni.

    There are times that the best thing said is nothing. I understand the Board of Trustees motive to attempt to clear their name from the indescribable bungling of November’s events. However, this press release was a step in the wrong direction. I am baffled by the poor decisions and absence of leadership demonstrated by the Penn State Board of Trustees. The actions of November and the continued poor attempts to restore our faith in the board are not achieving the objective. The actions of the board continue to reinforce the alumni opinion that the board members need to step aside for new leadership.

    danmcc

  • danmcc said...

    My letter to the BOCowards. I have no idea if it makes an impact on the board but I feel much better. I encourage everyone to write their concerns.

    Board Members, I recently had an opportunity to read the news release, Report of the Board of Trustees concerning November, 9th decisions. Much to my dismay the release contained no new information that I could glean. The entirety of the report was a rehash of information readily available to most people concerned enough to seek the information. This leads me to have a concern as to why the document was released at this time or anytime.

    I have previously written my concerns to the board regarding my opinion that the Penn State Board of Trustees did not handle the November events to the best of the ability that I would expect from such an esteemed group of individuals. As time heals all wounds, such has been the case regarding the press and public opinion regarding Penn State. Recent news that I have read puts Penn State in a positive light. Hence the question, why release this document? What added value to Penn State would it provide?

    I see no redeeming value for this document to have been published. The release has reopened wounds that had begun to heal. The press since the release has caused a reliving of the unfortunate events prior to November, a rehash of the boards poor leadership in November, a less than positive response from the Paterno’s, an opportunity for ESPN to provide negative publicity toward Penn State yet again and further agitation of Penn State supporters and alumni.

    There are times that the best thing said is nothing. I understand the Board of Trustees motive to attempt to clear their name from the indescribable bungling of November’s events. However, this press release was a step in the wrong direction. I am baffled by the poor decisions and absence of leadership demonstrated by the Penn State Board of Trustees. The actions of November and the continued poor attempts to restore our faith in the board are not achieving the objective. The actions of the board continue to reinforce the alumni opinion that the board members need to step aside for new leadership.

    Delete.

    This post was edited by PKG on 3/14/2012 at 6:43 AM

    Twitter: @PrashunGhosh

    PKG

  • danmcc said...

    My letter to the BOCowards. I have no idea if it makes an impact on the board but I feel much better. I encourage everyone to write their concerns.

    Board Members, I recently had an opportunity to read the news release, Report of the Board of Trustees concerning November, 9th decisions. Much to my dismay the release contained no new information that I could glean. The entirety of the report was a rehash of information readily available to most people concerned enough to seek the information. This leads me to have a concern as to why the document was released at this time or anytime.

    I have previously written my concerns to the board regarding my opinion that the Penn State Board of Trustees did not handle the November events to the best of the ability that I would expect from such an esteemed group of individuals. As time heals all wounds, such has been the case regarding the press and public opinion regarding Penn State. Recent news that I have read puts Penn State in a positive light. Hence the question, why release this document? What added value to Penn State would it provide?

    I see no redeeming value for this document to have been published. The release has reopened wounds that had begun to heal. The press since the release has caused a reliving of the unfortunate events prior to November, a rehash of the boards poor leadership in November, a less than positive response from the Paterno’s, an opportunity for ESPN to provide negative publicity toward Penn State yet again and further agitation of Penn State supporters and alumni.

    There are times that the best thing said is nothing. I understand the Board of Trustees motive to attempt to clear their name from the indescribable bungling of November’s events. However, this press release was a step in the wrong direction. I am baffled by the poor decisions and absence of leadership demonstrated by the Penn State Board of Trustees. The actions of November and the continued poor attempts to restore our faith in the board are not achieving the objective. The actions of the board continue to reinforce the alumni opinion that the board members need to step aside for new leadership.

    I doubt they get these letters. Even if these letters reach them, i doubt they care enuf to read them. They have already proved that they dont care about the PSU community by releasing this horse sh*t. The whole board needs to STFU and GTFO. But +1 on the letter, i feel the same way.

    Twitter: @PrashunGhosh

    PKG

  • To White Out

    Yes you are misinformed.

    This post was edited by Down home on 3/14/2012 at 7:03 PM

    Down home

  • Franco continues to be vocal. thumbsup

    Former NFL star Franco Harris says entire Penn State board of trustees should be replaced - College Football News | FOX Sports on MSN

    Former NFL star Franco Harris says entire Penn State board of trustees should be replaced Former NFL star Franco Harris says entire Penn State board of trustees should be replaced

    msn.foxsports.com
    signature image signature image signature image

    pwpitch