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Big Ten Presidents/Chancellors' statement re: PSU

  • Tripol said...

    Yes, its a criminal matter, but that does not mean that the B1G and the NCAA won't take action. Hence the reason I referenced Baylor. If you are not familiar with the murder of basketball player Patrick Dennehy look at the link below. That is a criminal act and better compares to PSU's circumstance than OSU's. It seems to me that you are making the claim that the NCAA and the B1G should take no action investigative or otherwise... is that right? The NCAA and the B1G are, in no way, prohibited against taking action against a school when criminal activity occurs. Particularly when that activity was covered up by people in the athletic department.

    NCAA did nothing to Baylor for the murder coverup. They went after Baylor for recruiting violations and pay to play violations.

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  • PIIHB RNP said...

    Your university supported a child molester since 1998 basically and at the least since 2002 when they def knew!!!!! Why cant u see thats a little different then a coach lying about tats. One doesnt hurt anyone the other (yours) ruins peoples lives. Its hard for anyone to stand behind Penn State right now because it appears this was covered up at the highest level. Is it fair to you fans? absolutly not but u have to understand the big 10s stance.

    The University did not support a child molester, few people in a position of power supported child molester and they have all lost their jobs and some will be going to jail.

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  • JC from LP said...

    100% criminal matter with NOTHING to do with Penn State athletics. No recruiting violations, no failure to discipline, no academics, no $ for play, no nothing...

    While everyone seems to think that further information and press coming from the trial will make this WORSE... (And btw... I agree)... It SHOULDN'T. The EDUCATED public should learn more from the trial and be informed and reminded that this IS about crime... A terrible crime. NOT football.

    If say a local politician used his position and influence to take kids from his non-profit organization to the YMCA, or took them to ocal sporting events, or theaters, or whatever... Does that make this situation fall into the lap of the YMCA?... Or other organizations/arenas?... That's CRAZY talk.

    Jump off a cliff Big Ten. Spineless, groupthink cowards... Use your head.

    Using your analogy, if the Director of the YMCA was aware that the olitician was engaging in criminal behavior at his facility, then yes. The knowledge of the behavior is what has been alleged and is what creates the link between the criminal act and the atletic department. That is the logic I am using and I think it is pretty sound.

    I want to be clear about something. I wish no ill-will on PSU. I have had my run-ins with some of your fans in the past, but I don't paint the entire PSU community with sucha broad brush. It is beyond tragic what has happend in Happy Valley. It is sad. I am not here to be self-rightous or anything like that, I just don't happen to agree with the assertion that these allegations do not have anything to do with the B1G or NCAA.

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  • PIIHB RNP said...

    Your university supported a child molester since 1998 basically and at the least since 2002 when they def knew!!!!! Why cant u see thats a little different then a coach lying about tats. One doesnt hurt anyone the other (yours) ruins peoples lives. Its hard for anyone to stand behind Penn State right now because it appears this was covered up at the highest level. Is it fair to you fans? absolutly not but u have to understand the big 10s stance.

    I understand it just fine.

    You don't think there are a hundred other ways the B1G could have reacted? Maybe something like "we're going to work with Penn State on not only making sure this atrocity doesn't happen again there, but that it doesn't happen anywhere else either. We're going to work towards making people aware of this kind of abuse. We understand how horrible this is and we hope the culpable people (note: not institution or university) are brought to justice."

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  • psuproud said...

    NCAA did nothing to Baylor for the murder coverup. They went after Baylor for recruiting violations and pay to play violations.

    Partially... the NCAA discovered recruiting and extra benefits once they began investigating the circumstances around the murder. Also, the NCAA also sanctioned Baylor as a result of Coach Bliss' attempted coverup of the scandal. Again, this is not a perfect parallel, but is the closest thing to precedent we have in reagrds to the PSU case. Clearly, what the NCAA set as precedent with the Baylor case was that, at their discretion, the NCAA will get involved in criminal investigations that are linked to a members of a school's athletic department in any way.

    AS I said in my original post, PSU's situation is unprecedented. Comparing the reaction of the conference and the NCAA from different situations to this is difficult because of the uniqueness of this case. My peronal opinion is that the closest precedent we have is the Baylor case and even that is not exactly the same.

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  • We know tats aren't nearly as bad as child molestation. The problem is that the athletics program o PSU is being targeted and not the administration/men who actually dropped the ball here.
    The football coaches involved followed policy and the letter of the law to he T. Any failure to act on the matter occurred on he administrative level of the University, which the football program/ coaches have absolutely no control over.
    So to punish the football program in any capacity is completely misguided.
    As for the Baylor episode, the program was penalized for findings uncovered during he investigation that revealed NCAA violations. So unless the NCAA/B1G can find NCAA violations, they have no grounds to punish/sanction PSU athletics in any capacity.

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  • psuproud said...

    The University did not support a child molester, few people in a position of power supported child molester and they have all lost their jobs and some will be going to jail.

    Why do people from Penn not understand the concept of an institution? If the leaders cover it up, then the Institution covered it up. These "individuals" weren't low level functionaries. They we're the authority and power within the institution, and they failed.

    That's why the strategy should be clean house, take the blame, and return. Not fire some, then cry like infants at every perceived injustice.

    "We don't care about anything but winning. No one cares about ethical standards thats for losers..." BUCKNUTS 21 self trolling.

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  • highspeed said...

    Why do people from Penn not understand the concept of an institution? If the leaders cover it up, then the Institution covered it up. These "individuals" weren't low level functionaries. They we're the authority and power within the institution, and they failed.

    That's why the strategy should be clean house, take the blame, and return. Not fire some, then cry like infants at every perceived injustice.

    This coming from an OSU fan? You mean, the same OSU that claimed Tressel acted alone as an individual, and that it's not the institution? The same Tressel that Gee hoped wouldn't fire him? The same OSU fans that went around trumpeting that you weren't going to get failure to monitor or LOIC because it was "just the coach, nobody else"? Yeah, that's real rich.

    Last I checked, we cleaned house. Who else deserves to be fired, exactly?

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  • psubills62 said...

    This coming from an OSU fan? You mean, the same OSU that claimed Tressel acted alone as an individual, and that it's not the institution? The same Tressel that Gee hoped wouldn't fire him? The same OSU fans that went around trumpeting that you weren't going to get failure to monitor or LOIC because it was "just the coach, nobody else"? Yeah, that's real rich.

    Last I checked, we cleaned house. Who else deserves to be fired, exactly?

    Again, the cases are completely different. Gene Smith and our police chief were not indicted by a grand jury for their knowledge in the incident. Of course, there was no grand jury in the OSU case because it was not a criminal matter. That's why comparison's between the two are irrelevant.

    Your assertion that being an OSU fan somehow precludes us from having opinion is baseless. The disagreement is about the claim that the NCAA and B1G have no place investigating the matter. Everyone, and I mean everyone, not wearing a PSU hat, sees the reasoning of why the conference and NCAA are going to investigate. My posts have been an attempt to walk some of you through the logic and justification behind it. Having been one of those OSU fans that felt that LOIC was never going to happen at my school, only to have it now be included in our allegations, I am telling you it is sometimes difficult to discern these things.

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  • psubills62 said...

    This coming from an OSU fan? You mean, the same OSU that claimed Tressel acted alone as an individual, and that it's not the institution? The same Tressel that Gee hoped wouldn't fire him? The same OSU fans that went around trumpeting that you weren't going to get failure to monitor or LOIC because it was "just the coach, nobody else"? Yeah, that's real rich.

    Last I checked, we cleaned house. Who else deserves to be fired, exactly?

    I agree OSU should be hammered. I think it is an institutional failure. It looks they won't be. That's an NCAA problem, not mine.

    As far as fired, I would think some of the BOT should step down as they seemed to have no oversight/idea this was coming down the pipe until the ESPN cameras were outside the doors. I imagine after the investigation more administrative staff would be let go. I guess if you say most involved were fired, then I withdraw that point.

    My general point is that it was not just a child rapist that was on your campus. That is something that is terrible and calls for condolences ect. The problem everyone outside of your fan base has is the coverup that seems to have occurred at high levels of your administration. Covering up the rapping of a child, especially when it involves a powerful ex-coach, should result in the institution being punished in some way (either intentionally or unintentionally). The fact that innocent individuals may be harmed in handing out this punishment does not lessen the need for institutional punishment.

    Wisconsin by the way.

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  • Tripol said...

    Again, the cases are completely different. Gene Smith and our police chief were not indicted by a grand jury for their knowledge in the incident. Of course, there was no grand jury in the OSU case because it was not a criminal matter. That's why comparison's between the two are irrelevant.

    Your assertion that being an OSU fan somehow precludes us from having opinion is baseless. The disagreement is about the claim that the NCAA and B1G have no place investigating the matter. Everyone, and I mean everyone, not wearing a PSU hat, sees the reasoning of why the conference and NCAA are going to investigate. My posts have been an attempt to walk some of you through the logic and justification behind it. Having been one of those OSU fans that felt that LOIC was never going to happen at my school, only to have it now be included in our allegations, I am telling you it is sometimes difficult to discern these things.

    There are only a few schools in the country that want the NCAA to get involved at Penn State. Schools do not want the NCAA getting involved in criminal matters because where will it end. There have to clear lines between criminal matters and NCAA bylaw matters. Plus most national college football writers are also saying the NCAA should stay away.

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  • Why are fans of OSU the only ones on the internet that continuously rip us about various issues, but then at the end of their posts say "I really have nothing against Penn State"? At least be honest. You wouldn't be trolling and posting such negative comments if you didn't feel exactly that way.

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  • highspeed said...

    I agree OSU should be hammered. I think it is an institutional failure. It looks they won't be. That's an NCAA problem, not mine.

    As far as fired, I would think some of the BOT should step down as they seemed to have no oversight/idea this was coming down the pipe until the ESPN cameras were outside the doors. I imagine after the investigation more administrative staff would be let go. I guess if you say most involved were fired, then I withdraw that point.

    My general point is that it was not just a child rapist that was on your campus. That is something that is terrible and calls for condolences ect. The problem everyone outside of your fan base has is the coverup that seems to have occurred at high levels of your administration. Covering up the rapping of a child, especially when it involves a powerful ex-coach, should result in the institution being punished in some way (either intentionally or unintentionally). The fact that innocent individuals may be harmed in handing out this punishment does not lessen the need for institutional punishment.

    Wisconsin by the way.

    IMO and the opinion of others the BOT will be removed in due time and IMO even the Governor of Pennsylvania will not be reelected because of this. They new it was coming they just completely dropped the ball.

    They removed JS as soon as allegations were brought forward in 1998 and he was initially cleared following the 98 incident. He was no longer a member of the staff or the football program when the other incidents happened. They made a huge mistake letting him back on campus after the 98 incident but that is on one person who negotiated his retirement package.

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  • psuproud said...

    There are only a few schools in the country that want the NCAA to get involved at Penn State. Schools do not want the NCAA getting involved in criminal matters because where will it end. There have to clear lines between criminal matters and NCAA bylaw matters. Plus most national college football writers are also saying the NCAA should stay away.

    Well, that is a completely different discussion. The question is when a school allegedly covers up criminal behavior, is it appropriate for the NCAA and /or conference to investigate the matter and possibly sanction the school. My contention is that it is appropriate. It appears that some here seem to think that the NCAA and B1G have no business investigating the matter at all and I think that is wrong. I have spelled out my logic behind it as clearly as I can. I understand that there is disagreement, but I also feel the reason behind the disagreement is that some PSU fans are blinded by their devotion and their emotional investment into the program.

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  • tedfitz10 said...

    I'm having a really tough time with this rationale and argument and scares me to think that the magnitude of what went on at PSU is trying to be swept under the rug.

    I don't think the situation at OSU and at PSU is as black-and-white as you are making it out to be.

    The players at OSU traded their own memorabilia for some tatoos and a little cash. Tressel absolutely was in the wrong for covering this up and he has paid for it dearly.

    Now, I'm supposed to believe that Paterno and McQueary were right because they told someone about it and they should be looked at more favorably than what happened at OSU? Sorry, but the magnitude of the action needs to be taken into account. Paterno and McQueary knew/saw a little boy being raped in the athletic offices (nothing to do with the athletics department?) and told 1 other person and then did nothing when it was covered up? Yet Tressel covered up a couple players selling trinkets and is way more in the wrong??? Listen, i'm not trying to defend Tressel, he was definitely wrong. But to try and make and apples-to-apples comparison between the two without looking below the surface at what was being hidden or what was not being followed up on is a little tough, especially when so many innocent children suffered.

    I'm not trying to stir the pot here, but it makes me a little sick to hear some of the ways PSU fans are taking this situation so lightly.

    What little facts out there you can't even get right. First, Joe told two people. The AD, and the director of Campus PD,
    who's sole purpose is meeting with Joe/McQuery was to launch an investigation.

    Second, no one told Joe about any criminal activity. He was told about Sandusky messing around with a kid in the showers, and not a word about what was happening.

    Third, The 2nd Mile reported that Curley called them and told them that Sandusky was reported to have been messing around in the shower but no wrong doing was found.

    All that I mentioned is fact. Literally fact.

    Where is there a cover up by athletics? There are NO facts to support that conclusion. We might SPECULATE about stuff. But we can speculate both to support Curley/Joe, or speculate that both were moral criminals, and in Curley's place - actual criminal.

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  • Tripol said...

    Well, that is a completely different discussion. The question is when a school allegedly covers up criminal behavior, is it appropriate for the NCAA and /or conference to investigate the matter and possibly sanction the school. My contention is that it is appropriate. It appears that some here seem to think that the NCAA and B1G have no business investigating the matter at all and I think that is wrong. I have spelled out my logic behind it as clearly as I can. I understand that there is disagreement, but I also feel the reason behind the disagreement is that some PSU fans are blinded by their devotion and their emotional investment into the program.

    Here is the problem with the cover up, JS was not a member of the coaching staff or the athletic department when the incidents occurred. Yes the incidents happened on the Penn State campus and even in athletic department buildings. This was not an athletic department issue it was an administration issue.

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  • fortheglory94 said...

    Why are fans of OSU the only ones on the internet that continuously rip us about various issues, but then at the end of their posts say "I really have nothing against Penn State"? At least be honest. You wouldn't be trolling and posting such negative comments if you didn't feel exactly that way.

    No, I have occassionally been coming to this board since the story broke. I come here for several reasons... 1. I wanted to offer my genuine condolences on the circumstances that PSU has found itself in. I think we all agree that at some level there was a complete failure in the way this was handled and I feel bad about that because I know what is like to be completely dedicated to a program. If this happend at OSU I would be crushed. 2. I wanted to see what PSu folks were saying and get their perspective. It has been pointed out several times that ESpin is not a trustworthy source. OSU fans have experienced that at multiple levels over the past year, so I have come here to get a different perspective. A lot of what is posted here I agree with. Sometimes I don't agree. In this thread, I felt a few people were walking down an illogical path so I posted a response and gave an alternative logic to consider.

    I don't mind be called a troll. Its a message board and I like to enagage in conversation and I believe that is what they are designed for. If I have crossed the line in anyway I am sure I will be banned or warned.

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  • Tripol said...

    Again, the cases are completely different. Gene Smith and our police chief were not indicted by a grand jury for their knowledge in the incident. Of course, there was no grand jury in the OSU case because it was not a criminal matter. That's why comparison's between the two are irrelevant.

    Your assertion that being an OSU fan somehow precludes us from having opinion is baseless. The disagreement is about the claim that the NCAA and B1G have no place investigating the matter. Everyone, and I mean everyone, not wearing a PSU hat, sees the reasoning of why the conference and NCAA are going to investigate. My posts have been an attempt to walk some of you through the logic and justification behind it. Having been one of those OSU fans that felt that LOIC was never going to happen at my school, only to have it now be included in our allegations, I am telling you it is sometimes difficult to discern these things.

    I can see the differences just fine. And actually, the differences are exactly why it's the individuals who need to be blamed, not the institution. That is what the depravity of the situation calls for.

    I never said being an OSU fan precludes you from having an opinion. I'm saying it's hypocritical to put entire blame on an institution instead of individuals when your school and a good chunk of your fanbase did the exact same thing.

    And as far as the disagreement you're addressing, you're wrong. Not everyone thinks the NCAA should investigate. Many do, but not all. And you said yourself - it's a criminal matter. There are things PSU needs to do to make sure this doesn't happen again, but no, the NCAA and Big Ten have zero jurisdiction in this case. They can investigate all they want and I'm actually fairly certain the NCAA will at least give us some token punishment. But just read both of the letters from those bodies - they way those letters are written, it's as if those entities are trying to convince themselves that they can do something here. Because you know they desperately want to.

    Let me ask you - why didn't the NCAA punish Baylor for covering up a murder between basketball players? The NCAA punished them for other violations when they investigated, but nothing directly related to the murder. If they didn't punish that (which was a criminal matter, just as you said), what makes you think they have jurisdiction here?

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  • psuproud said...

    Here is the problem with the cover up, JS was not a member of the coaching staff or the athletic department when the incidents occurred. Yes the incidents happened on the Penn State campus and even in athletic department buildings. This was not an athletic department issue it was an administration issue.

    Even if it is just an administration issue, it involves the athletic department. It's a former athletic department employee that was given access to the athletic facilities. This employee also used the athletics department for use with his charitable organization. That charitable organization played an intrumental role in the alleged criminal activity. The criminal acts allegedly took place in athletic facilities. Reports of questionable behavior were made by two employees of the athletic department. There is no magical way to remove the athletic department out of the scenerio and even if you did, that does not change anything. If 100% of the responsibility falls to the administration, PSU as an institution is still a member of the B1G and NCAA. If the NCAA feels that the administration acted out of line in their handling of a criminal act involving the athletic department they have grounds to investigate.

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  • You guys make me sick!!! Your football coaches covered up a boy being raped and you are worried about football??? What a bunch of pukes!! They told their supervisors??????? Joepa should be going to prison along with that bitch McQueary for the rest of their lives!!! What a bunch of inbred country ass's you all are over there in "happy" valley!! Calling you redneck would be a step up!!

    I think we are going to find out that this is just like the catholic church scandal and it's going to get MUCH MUCH worse. It's going to come out that high ranking people knew and witnesses and investigators silenced or even killed over. (google the former investigator/prosecutor who was found dead)

    You all need to quit worrying about football and take stock of your soul's. I hope they give your program the death penalty!! McQuery is the cowardly face of your program now!! That's what a Penn St man is, apparently.

    This post was edited by StarBuck on 12/9/2011 at 11:43 AM

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  • StarBuck said...

    You guys make me sick!!! Your football coaches covered up a boy being raped and you are worried about football??? What a bunch of pukes!! They told their supervisors??????? Joepa should be going to prison along with that bitch McQueary for the rest of their lives!!! What a bunch of inbred country ass's you all are over there in "happy" valley!! Calling you redneck would be a step up!!

    I think we are going to find out that this is just like the catholic church scandal and it's going to get MUCH MUCH worse. It's going to come out that high ranking people knew and witnesses and investigators silenced or even killed over. (google the former investigator/prosecutor who was found dead)

    You all need to quit worrying about football and take stock of your soul's. I hope they give your program the death penalty!! McQuery is the cowardly face of your program now!! That's what a Penn St man is, apparently.

    I really hope you're not representative of Ohio State alumni.

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  • Tripol said...

    Well, that is a completely different discussion. The question is when a school allegedly covers up criminal behavior, is it appropriate for the NCAA and /or conference to investigate the matter and possibly sanction the school. My contention is that it is appropriate. It appears that some here seem to think that the NCAA and B1G have no business investigating the matter at all and I think that is wrong. I have spelled out my logic behind it as clearly as I can. I understand that there is disagreement, but I also feel the reason behind the disagreement is that some PSU fans are blinded by their devotion and their emotional investment into the program.

    Disagree completely. What if Joe embezzled $20 million from the athletic department and the school covered it up? What if Russ Rose, the best coach in all of college athletics, ran a Ponzi scheme on the side and it was covered up? Both are criminal behaviors. Neither has ANYTHING to do with the academic mission or competitive balance that the Big 10 or NCAA should be concerning themselves with.

    Neither body has the ability to "investigate" criminal matters in any significant way. There is nothing of substance they will uncover beyond what the local, state and federal government finds. So, why waste anyone's time, energy and resources?

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  • StarBuck said...

    You guys make me sick!!! Your football coaches covered up a boy being raped and you are worried about football??? What a bunch of pukes!! They told their supervisors??????? Joepa should be going to prison along with that bitch McQueary for the rest of their lives!!! What a bunch of inbred country ass's you all are over there in "happy" valley!! Calling you redneck would be a step up!!

    I think we are going to find out that this is just like the catholic church scandal and it's going to get MUCH MUCH worse. It's going to come out that high ranking people knew and witnesses and investigators silenced or even killed over. (google the former investigator/prosecutor who was found dead)

    You all need to quit worrying about football and take stock of your soul's. I hope they give your program the death penalty!! McQuery is the cowardly face of your program now!! That's what a Penn St man is, apparently.

    Bunch of child molesting bitches!!

    The football coaches did not cover anything up. A person who did not witness a the crime(Joe) can't go to the police.

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  • psubills62 said...

    I can see the differences just fine. And actually, the differences are exactly why it's the individuals who need to be blamed, not the institution. That is what the depravity of the situation calls for.

    I never said being an OSU fan precludes you from having an opinion. I'm saying it's hypocritical to put entire blame on an institution instead of individuals when your school and a good chunk of your fanbase did the exact same thing.

    And as far as the disagreement you're addressing, you're wrong. Not everyone thinks the NCAA should investigate. Many do, but not all. And you said yourself - it's a criminal matter. There are things PSU needs to do to make sure this doesn't happen again, but no, the NCAA and Big Ten have zero jurisdiction in this case. They can investigate all they want and I'm actually fairly certain the NCAA will at least give us some token punishment. But just read both of the letters from those bodies - they way those letters are written, it's as if those entities are trying to convince themselves that they can do something here. Because you know they desperately want to.

    Let me ask you - why didn't the NCAA punish Baylor for covering up a murder between basketball players? The NCAA punished them for other violations when they investigated, but nothing directly related to the murder. If they didn't punish that (which was a criminal matter, just as you said), what makes you think they have jurisdiction here?

    If the nature of the violations are so absolutely different between OSU and PSU then the circumstances of the role the administration is different as well. You may say I'm a hypocrite, but they two situations are so far removed from one another I don't see how any comparisons can be made.

    In regards to the Baylor case, the cover up by Bliss was actually cited in the end as one of the many reasons for the pnishment brough down by the NCAA. Bliss removal by Baylor was a premptive move by Byalor. The NCAA slapped a just cause sanction on him individually as well.

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  • buckalum said...

    FireJayPa, thank you for being a voice of reason.

    Guy's, the B10 fans are not against you here. This not not good for the conference and nobody wishes this on anyone. More importantly the victims.

    As stated by FireJayPa, tOSU "scandal" ended up being the most overblown story in recent memory. Some players sold "their stuff." The cars were shown to be blatantly false, the cleared check to Pryor...yep false. Obviously some players were "overpaid" for their jobs but if you take the time to read the details it was roughly equivalent to taking an extended lunch break, but due to the situation they were punished. No one seems to want to read the facts. This was the most blown out of context "scandal" in the history of sports and a good man lost his job over it.

    To the subject at hand, no one wants PSU out of the conference. PSU will not be asked to leave the B10. A few bad apples do not reflect the entire institution.

    Agree that it was overblown, but....You cant go to another teams site mention all the problems we had and leave out that Tressel covered it up. They will throw that in your face all day long. Just make sure to state Tress covered it up and i think you will find more common ground here lol

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