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Big 10 expansion possible after all???

  • Texas' 24/7 site is reporting that Texas met with Oklahoma to convince them to stay in the B12/10/9. It did not go well and evidently Texas came home believing Oklahoma is gone and with them the conference. Texas now has to decide what to do. Enter my link to the Northwestern site. The OP evidently has a track record of providing some accurate inside info. on what's going on in the B10 offices.

    Granted, the 24/7 article doesn't even bring up the B10 but who knows.

    At the very least, an interesting conversation topic and a bit of a distraction from this past Saturday.

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  • Stoop's comment (local media, don't know the article) about the Texas rivalry no longer being necessary was pretty telling for me.

    I grew up an OU fan, and I couldn't fathom not playing Texas every year. Its the biggest game of the year for recruiting, usually has national title implications, and we hate each other. Why leave all that on the table to join the Pac-12/14/16 to play UCLA, Arizona State, Colorado, Arizona, and Utah year in and year out?

    If the administration, and therefore Stoops, is following the line of thinking that we don't need Texas, then I think the ties are all but severed. The Pac-12/14/16 will give them more money, open them up to the West Coast markets, and will be significantly less competitive than the Big 12 South (by that I mean OU v. UT). USC will never be what they were under PC with that idiot Kiffin at the helm, and UCLA is a shell of its former glory. Why not go beat up on the Cali schools, Utah, and ASU, AU, and CU, guarantee yourself a spot in a conference championship game against either Oregon or Oregon (not a typo, Stanford is in trouble once Luck leaves), and possibly a spot in the Rose Bowl each year? At the very worst a New Years Day bowl.

    Its sad, because I absolutely love to beat the crap out of Texas every year, but if this is what Boren & Co. are thinking, its hard to fault them. Outside of not going deeper south into Texas than Lubbock and no longer playing UT, there's not much to complain about if you're OU.

    JMO. Looking forward to seeing how all this plays out.

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  • Heard a report on the radio saturday snd the guy claimed his source is superb-said that Texas and ND recently had preliminary talks with the B1G on regards to joining the conference.
    Apparently, both would rather things stay the way they are, but they also want to be in position to make a move if things are going to change.
    I'm against these mega-conferences, but if change is coming and we have to add teams, i'd like this.

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  • I think an awful lot of ducks would have to fall before Texas joins the Big Ten. I'd love to have them, but I don't see them getting past the equal revenue sharing in the Big Ten.

    psudave

  • psudave said...

    I think an awful lot of ducks would have to fall before Texas joins the Big Ten. I'd love to have them, but I don't see them getting past the equal revenue sharing in the Big Ten.

    I completely agree. Same goes for ND. They have it all as an independent and I don't see them giving up some of their revenue either. Stranger things have happened but it's something to keep our eyes on.

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  • PSUTimm said...

    Heard a report on the radio saturday snd the guy claimed his source is superb-said that Texas and ND recently had preliminary talks with the B1G on regards to joining the conference. Apparently, both would rather things stay the way they are, but they also want to be in position to make a move if things are going to change. I'm against these mega-conferences, but if change is coming and we have to add teams, i'd like this.

    I don't see either Texas nor ND in the BIG. No way. Do you think Nebraska wants Texas? No chance. That is the reason they left the league. I don't see ND because of shear arrogance. Alot of concessions would have to be made for both of these and its not worth it.

    Hamilton Lion

  • Both Texas and ND would expect to run the show in an expanded Big Ten. It's bad enough with UM and OSU thinking they are the most important programs in the Big Ten - who needs another pair of ego centric institutions.

    Rick81

  • reality is that if they are not in the big ten they will be somewhere else. I think nebraska and the rest of the big ten realize the fact that it is in our best interest to have the strongest conf out there. I would hate to see us sit on the sideline as the sec pac and acc stack up the confrence and we are loeft with crappy schools like Missouri and pitt

    Trock56

  • Trock56 said...

    reality is that if they are not in the big ten they will be somewhere else. I think nebraska and the rest of the big ten realize the fact that it is in our best interest to have the strongest conf out there. I would hate to see us sit on the sideline as the sec pac and acc stack up the confrence and we are loeft with crappy schools like Missouri and pitt

    I'm not sure the ACC will stack up. I can see them losing a variety of schools as the BIG and SEC swallow up that league.

    Hamilton Lion

  • Thats just the thing...The Big 12 isn't going to stick around. As Trock said, if Texas isn't in the B1G then they are going to be in the Pac-12 or SEC. ND, well they can rot in mediocrity for all I care, but I'm inclined to believe they would go the B1G route as well if Texas joins.

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  • Rick...no kidding. Talk about egos and look at me. Part of the problem with ND and Texas is they want their special set of rules in order to join.

    "One man didn't build this program and one man sure as hell cannot tear it down."

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  • Here's what I think happens.

    Oklahoma & Oklahoma State to the Pac 12 (16) makes 14 in that conference.
    Texas A&M to the SEC (done)
    Florida State and VT to the SEC
    Mizzouri to the SEC/BIG
    UConn, Pitt, Syracuse, either Rutgers or WVU to the ACC

    Question marks are BYU, Texas, ND, Texas Tech and possibly Boise.

    If I'm the PAC12...I'm trying like hell to get Texas and BYU, but Boise State is lurking. If Texas goes PAC, Mizzou gets the SEC invite. If Texas goes SEC, which I'm leaning towards, Mizzou could get a BIG or now maybe a PAC invite. I'm leaning towards the BIG invite.

    I think BYU stays Independent. that means, Boise and possibly Texas Tech round out the PAC conference.
    FSU, Texas, VT and A&M join the SEC
    Oklahoma, OKie State, Texas Tech and Boise to the PAC
    UConn, Pitt, Syracuse and Rutgers to the ACC
    Mizzou to the BIG

    Which leaves the BIG. Teams out there would be Kansas, KSU, ISU, WVU, Louisville, Baylor, and we would need 3 to round out for 16. No one on that list does anything for me personally.

    I hope the ACC takes Rugers instead of Pitt. Pitt to the BIG..2 more. Iowa State...1 more. Notre Dame?

    I think Delaney has to be aggressive here and start the processes with some schools...I would think that the BIG would want to have it's pick of schools versus picking up table scraps.

    ACC:
    UNC
    Duke
    Syracuse?
    UConn?
    NCState
    Maryland
    Rutgers?
    UVA
    Clemson
    GT
    Miami
    BC
    Wake
    WVU?
    USF?
    ECU?

    BIG
    Illinois
    Indiana
    Ohio State
    Penn State
    Purdue
    Wisconsin
    Iowa
    Michgan
    Michigan State
    Minnesota
    Nebraska
    Northwestern
    Pitt
    ND
    Iowa State
    Mizzou?

    SEC:
    Arkansas
    Alabama
    Florida
    Georgia
    Miss
    Miss State
    LSU
    Auburn
    S. Carolina
    Kentucky
    Vandy
    Tennessee
    Texas A&M
    Florida State
    Virginia Tech
    Texas

    PAC:
    USC
    UCLA
    Washington
    Utah
    Colorado
    Oregon
    Oregon State
    Washington State
    Arizona
    ASU
    Stanford
    Cal
    Oklahoma
    Oklahoma State
    Texas Tech
    Boise?

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  • The problem with ND and Texas would be that if these 16-team conferences happen, and theyre not in one, who will they play? There would have to be a drastic increase in conference games leaving less opportunity for them to find quality games. Texas' network and revenue isn't as valuable if theyre playing North Texas and Fresno State in November.

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    PSUTimm

  • Little if any chance VTech goes to the SEC. They pulled major political strings to get into the ACC in the first place. Virginia officials will not allow VTech be the start of the unraveling of the ACC, a league that UVA is a charter member.

    The ACC is a very good conference with some belief in academic standards (Clemson notwithstanding). I can see them adding to their conference not being raided. The Big Least is another matter all together. It has never been a well organized conference and football is an afterthought in most planning. Pitt (to ACC) WVU (to SEC) 'Cuse (to ACC, remember they wanted them before VTech originally) are prime candidates for poaching.

    ND and Tejas are the best options for the BiG. Nothing else comes close. Nebraska opinions won't matter one bit in this discussion.

    This will happen by June of next year as Delaney is set to retire in July, if I'm not mistaken.

    78Lion

  • Hamilton Lion said...

    I'm not sure the ACC will stack up. I can see them losing a variety of schools as the BIG and SEC swallow up that league.

    Hamilton,
    If this guy is correct and Texas goes to the ACC, IMO that gives the ACC a huge amount of credibility. I don't see other conferences raiding them, and they will be one of the big 4 when the dust settles.

    psudave

  • psudave said...

    Hamilton, If this guy is correct and Texas goes to the ACC, IMO that gives the ACC a huge amount of credibility. I don't see other conferences raiding them, and they will be one of the big 4 when the dust settles.

    Texas to the ACC makes as much sense as TCU to the Big East. Texas would eye that as a place it could flex its muscles. Absent FSU, there really isn't much.

    The BIG is also an academic based league. I wouldn't be shocked if this Texas and ND rumor doesn't happen - I don't think it will, UMD, UVA and UNC could be big targets for the BIG.

    Hamilton Lion

  • OU, OSU to PAC 12. Jury out on TT and potentially BYU.

    FSU and Clemson will join the SEC, along with A&M. 4th member TBD.

    ACC will grab their loot from the Big East.

    Remaining Big East and Big 12 schools will absorb into some strange conference.

    BIG will not take Missouri. That would be a horrid decision. They're either going 'big' or staying put at 12. Call me naive, but I think TX and ND are very realistic. But ND will be an easier sell than TX for many reasons. ND still wants a protected national rivalry and would probably insist on a guaranteed annual game with TX to enter.

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  • I've also heard a lot of speculation that FSU would join the SEC. That seems to fit.

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  • tdiddy said...

    OU, OSU to PAC 12. Jury out on TT and potentially BYU.

    FSU and Clemson will join the SEC, along with A&M. 4th member TBD.

    ACC will grab their loot from the Big East.

    Remaining Big East and Big 12 schools will absorb into some strange conference.

    BIG will not take Missouri. That would be a horrid decision. They're either going 'big' or staying put at 12. Call me naive, but I think TX and ND are very realistic. But ND will be an easier sell than TX for many reasons. ND still wants a protected national rivalry and would probably insist on a guaranteed annual game with TX to enter.

    Unless Florida and USCe have blocked FSU and Clemson. Is it a coincidence that more of the talk is linked to VPI? No one is blocking them.

    Hamilton Lion

  • Hamilton Lion said...

    Unless Florida and USCe have blocked FSU and Clemson. Is it a coincidence that more of the talk is linked to VPI? No one is blocking them.

    I think it makes the most sense for all 3 to go with A&M. FSU and Clemson essentially are SEC programs with they way they run things. As mentioned previously in this thread, VT would be blocked by UVA from leaving as VT did pull major strings to enter the ACC and UVA is the charter member.

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  • tdiddy said...

    I think it makes the most sense for all 3 to go with A&M. FSU and Clemson essentially are SEC programs with they way they run things. As mentioned previously in this thread, VT would be blocked by UVA from leaving as VT did pull major strings to enter the ACC and UVA is the charter member.

    This is exactly why VaTech is not leaving the ACC. Politicains forced the ACC and UVA to take Va Tech. They won't be allowed to bolt after essentially ruining the original plans of the ACC to expand.

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  • I didn't read all of this, but really hate the idea of superconferences. They're going to take away from rivalries for one. I could see ND and Pitt (maybe Navy) to the B1G and that's it...and 14 teams is pushing it...12 is plenty. I'd love for Penn State to play all the tough B1G schools instead of rotating teams off the schedule.

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  • I think we have a great and legit chance at landing Texas if Oklahoma flees for the PAC. A little more would have to fall into place for ND. If the SEC and PAC start adding teams to get to 16, the writing willl be on the wall for the Irish. The rise of a superconference playoff system will force ND into the B1G's laps.

    As for the potential last 2 teams, I think we would like to add a couple of the ACC schools, but that is not going to be easy. Thus, I think we might be forced to take teams like Rutgers or Mizzou. Iowa St. has zero chance as they add nothing and Pitt has a little better chance, but not much.

    wish list: TX,ND, UNC, Duke
    prediction: TX, ND, Rutgers, and either Mizzou or Maryland

    POV

  • POV said...

    I think we have a great and legit chance at landing Texas if Oklahoma flees for the PAC. A little more would have to fall into place for ND. If the SEC and PAC start adding teams to get to 16, the writing willl be on the wall for the Irish. The rise of a superconference playoff system will force ND into the B1G's laps.

    As for the potential last 2 teams, I think we would like to add a couple of the ACC schools, but that is not going to be easy. Thus, I think we might be forced to take teams like Rutgers or Mizzou. Iowa St. has zero chance as they add nothing and Pitt has a little better chance, but not much.

    wish list: TX,ND, UNC, Duke prediction: TX, ND, Rutgers, and either Mizzou or Maryland

    Duke brings nothing to the table with exception of men's and women's basketball, lax and soccer. It meets the academic profile, but from a football standpoint - its another Indiana.

    Hamilton Lion

  • Hamilton Lion said...

    Duke brings nothing to the table with exception of men's and women's basketball, lax and soccer. It meets the academic profile, but from a football standpoint - its another Indiana.

    Besides basketball, they bring UNC, who whtaever little shot the Big Ten has of landing, we are going to be forced to take Duke. I am a big basketball fan, so I would be cool with adding the brand. Supposedly, that is what Delany wants as well. It has a very little chance of happening anyway, so I wouldn't focus on those 2 schools.

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