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  • getmyjive11 said...

    But the agreement was between PSU and the NCAA. Like I said, I don't think that you can argue that this should be overturned because PSU was conspiring against itself, especially if the vast majority of it's current leadership doesn't back the lawsuit.

    Why are you using the word "conspiring"? All the NCAA needs to do is act in concert with PSU. Which, by using the Freeh report, it did.

    I don't think the percentage of board members supporting the lawsuit has any bearing on whether the NCAA was a state actor or not.

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  • BayernLion said...

    The case of Tim Cohane could actually help set precedence in PSU's favor if it actually gets to a Federal level:

    "In a 1988 case, N.C.A.A. vs. Tarkanian (yes, that’s Jerry Tarkanian, the infamous former University of Nevada at Las Vegas coach), the Supreme Court ruled that the N.C.A.A. was not a “state actor.” A state actor is a legal term for any institution that acts as an arm of the government — and is, therefore, subject to constitutional mandates like due process. Since then, the N.C.A.A. has waved the “we’re-not-a-state-actor” flag whenever it’s been sued for violating someone’s rights. Since it’s not a state actor, it argues, its members have no constitutional rights.

    ...

    The most egregious was that SUNY-Buffalo officials had threatened to strip the school’s basketball players of their eligibility unless they implicated Cohane. Graduating seniors, whose eligibility had expired, were told that they wouldn’t graduate if they didn’t point the finger at Cohane. The N.C.A.A. knew that players were being coerced to lie — and did nothing to stop it. Indeed, those lies became part of its report. Years later, a number of players submitted affidavits as part of the Cohane lawsuit, saying they had never seen their former coach do anything wrong but had been pressured to implicate him.

    Naturally, the N.C.A.A. responded by trying to get the case tossed out on the grounds that it was not a state actor. The trial judge agreed. But, in 2007, the appeals court overruled that decision and said that because the N.C.A.A. had acted in concert with the university — which, as a state-run school, is undeniably a state actor — it, too, could be considered a state actor. The N.C.A.A. then appealed to the Supreme Court, to no avail."

    Thanks for this terrific research, BayernLion. The case, and challenge, reads like what has happened here, and what might happen here.

    tomdee

  • getmyjive11 said...

    But the agreement was between PSU and the NCAA. Like I said, I don't think that you can argue that this should be overturned because PSU was conspiring against itself, especially if the vast majority of it's current leadership doesn't back the lawsuit.

    Which is why proving Erickson did not have the authority to sign the consent without a full board vote is so critical.
    If determined that he did not have that authority, and that a full vote was needed, then the consent is void and there is no agreement.
    Therefore, if the NCAA wishes to institute the sanctions anyway after it's determined that the consent was voided, they are acting as a "state actor," by using the PSU commissioned Freeh report as the basis for it's punishment.

    The number of trustees listed in the suit means nothing. Only a full vote by the board to sign another consent matters if one were to occur.

    This post was edited by RWC5113 on 8/7/2012 at 10:11 AM

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  • RWC5113 said...

    Which is why proving Erickson did not have the authority to sign the consent without a full board vote is so critical.
    If determined that he did not have that authority, and that a full vote was needed, then the consent is void and there is no agreement.
    Therefore, if the NCAA wishes to institute the sanctions anyway after it's determined that the consent was voided, they are acting as a "state actor," by using the PSU commissioned Freeh report as the basis for it's punishment.

    The number of trustees listed in the suit means nothing. Only a full vote by the board to sign another consent matters if one were to occur.

    Considering the BoT has already had a meeting and determined that erickson did what he had to, I'm pretty sure that nothing will come of this. So you're right. Unless the BoT votes and declares that Erickson had no authority to sign the consent, nothing will come of this.

    bonovoxpsu

  • PSUjosh11 said...

    I just saw this as well. Attached is the link.

    YES!

    PSGrue

  • bonovoxpsu said...

    Considering the BoT has already had a meeting and determined that erickson did what he had to, I'm pretty sure that nothing will come of this. So you're right. Unless the BoT votes and declares that Erickson had no authority to sign the consent, nothing will come of this.

    You're correct for the most part.
    But the BoT can simply not hold any meetings or vote on this and McCombie and the trustees in the suit can get Erickson's consent voided through the courts.
    So something can come of this for sure regardless of whether the BOT votes against Erickson's consent agreement or not.

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  • bonovoxpsu said...

    Considering the BoT has already had a meeting and determined that erickson did what he had to, I'm pretty sure that nothing will come of this. So you're right. Unless the BoT votes and declares that Erickson had no authority to sign the consent, nothing will come of this.

    A majority of the BOT agreeing to ignore the fact that the President did not have the authority does not override the fact that the President did not have the authority. I believe that is the point of the appeal to the NCAA and will be the point of the lawsuit once the appeal is rejected.

    helpdesk

  • helpdesk said...

    A majority of the BOT agreeing to ignore the fact that the President did not have the authority does not override the fact that the President did not have the authority. I believe that is the point of the appeal to the NCAA and will be the point of the lawsuit once the appeal is rejected.

    The big question with this entire situation is was Erickson told by Emmert NOT to consult with the BoT about the sanctions and to take them "as is" by Emmert, otherwise we would receive the DP? It is known that Erickson did at least talk to Peetz and maybe another member or two of the Executive board but that's it.

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  • A legal question of timing. I am making the assumption that Rod spoke to Peetz and thought he had authority.

    IF it is determined that the document signing required BOT approval, Rod did not have authority at the time of signature. However, the BOT later votes that they agree to the document.

    Is the document/signature valid if he did not have authority at the time of signature?

    danmcc

  • danmcc said...

    A legal question of timing. I am making the assumption that Rod spoke to Peetz and thought he had authority.

    IF it is determined that the document signing required BOT approval, Rod did not have authority at the time of signature. However, the BOT later votes that they agree to the document.

    Is the document/signature valid if he did not have authority at the time of signature?

    The BOT didn't vote that they agree.

    PSU_DG

  • PSU_DG said...

    The BOT didn't vote that they agree.

    I understand, thank you. The items in my post were to set up the question.

    IF Rod did not have authority at the time the document was signed, but was granted authority later, is the original document/signature valid?

    danmcc

  • danmcc said...

    I understand, thank you. The items in my post were to set up the question.

    IF Rod did not have authority at the time the document was signed, but was granted authority later, is the original document/signature valid?

    I believe a full vote of the BOT would be needed to "ratify" or validate the consent decree signed by Erickson.

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  • psufankc63 said...

    I believe a full vote of the BOT would be needed to "ratify" or validate the consent decree signed by Erickson.

    I agree but that is authority after the fact. To me, the document is invalid but I'm not an attorney and would like a legal perspective vs my perspective.

    danmcc

  • But if erickson did not have the authority to sign the deal?

    I can go put an offer in on a $10mil house...but if I can't get a loan..

    Posas14

  • Does anyone know the timeframe for a response from the NCAA on this and the other appeal filed today? Is their comment on the paterno appeal all the response that is necessary? or will there be written replies to these appeals?

    psu2005