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BOB wants to resurrect the Pitt rivalry ...

  • POV said...

    No we can't. Football pays for the entire athletic budget. Our athletics basically break even and we avoid dipping into the general fund. Removing another home game will hurt immensely and we will not be able to sell the extra merchandise to makeup the difference.

    Bingo.

    Money rules, as it should.

    MTayl72

  • I'd rather rotate thru the ACC / ND more regularly than play Pitt every year.

    Virginia Tech, ND, Miami, FSU, UNC, Clemson would be way more fun.

    This post was edited by Posas14 on 5/5/2012 at 4:26 PM

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  • Posas14 said...

    I'd rather rotate thru the ACC / ND more regularly than play Pitt every year.

    Virginia Tech, ND, Miami, FSU, UNC, Clemson would be way more fun.

    I don't see why you couldn't have a schedule of Pitt, UNC, ASU, and Indiana State in a year. Scheduling would be tricky but do-able. You also have to factor in things like increased revenue from the BTN, the B1G championship game, and a new TV deal coming up with a major network. Also, think about this, PSU will probably get more of a game out of Ohio and possibly from Navy then they would have from Pitt. And if the schedule didn't work out in a given year you can always take a year off.

    This post was edited by PSUJT0409 on 5/5/2012 at 4:41 PM

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  • PSUJT$ said...

    I don't see why you couldn't have a schedule of Pitt, UNC, ASU, and Indiana State in a year. Scheduling would be tricky but do-able. You also have to factor in things like increased revenue from the BTN, the B1G championship game, and a new TV deal coming up with a major network. Also, think about this, PSU will probably get more of a game out of Ohio and possibly from Navy then they would have from Pitt. And if the schedule didn't work out in a given year you can always take a year off.

    You can't have Pitt, UNC, ASU, and Indiana St. as a schedule every year because 3 of those schools will demand a return game. Please explain how with that we can get 8 home games a year. You can have at most 2 home and homes at a time. 3 does not work out.

    You also keep comparing the competitiveness of Pitt with Ohio and Navy and the like. That is not the issue. The issue is Pitt demands we play them in Pittsburgh, while the others don't..

    POV

  • POV said...

    No we can't. Football pays for the entire athletic budget. Our athletics basically break even and we avoid dipping into the general fund. Removing another home game will hurt immensely and we will not be able to sell the extra merchandise to makeup the difference.

    Not doubting, just curious as to the financials - do you have numbers for the cost of losing a home game? Honestly have no clue what kind of money we are talking about.

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  • This whole discussion could be mute if the new 4 team playoff scheme include a strength of schedule criteria. Then hopefully larger schools will only be able to schedule only one Cream Puff school early in the season. The NC games should be one cream puff, one Pac 12 game, two schools like Pitt, Temple, Cuse, or some Conf USA teams. Should make for some more exciting game early in the season. Let's hope the NCAA makes the right choice on their criteria for rating the top four teams.

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  • Roaringlion said...

    idk, id rather play pitt then eastern mich,

    Pitt wouldn't take the place of an Eastern Michigan. It would take the place of another BCS school. With the Pac 12 deal, we would be stuck playing Pitt, our Pac 12 opponent and 2 cupcakes each year. There would be no flexibility if we schedule a long term series. No ND, no 'Bama, no Texas, no VaTech, no Miami, etc.

    The benefits of such a series would be very heavily in Pitt's favor. The "rivalry" hasn't mattered nationally since the early 1980s. Time for fans to get past this thing and recognize that playing around the country is what needs to happen.

    joshlax

  • This talk about things playing in Pitt's favor is hilarious. They're a local school where a lot of our friends went. They hate us and we hate them. Playing someone like that is fun. If we beat them 9 out of every 10 years nothing will play in their favor. The only way things play in their favor is if we lose to them, and if we can't field a team that beats Pitt we have big problems whether we're playing them or not.

    If you want to make the argument that you'd rather keep the date open to play someone like Alabama then ok, that's a legitimate argument. I disagree with it though because I think during this Pac 12 series we'll have a lot of fun playing USC/Oregon/Washington/Stanford in good years, and even in bad years we'll still get someone like Wazzu or Arizona or Cal which isn't a horrible game.

    An Actual Lion

  • Or the fact that the only time they would sell out their stadium, and in turn some of their other games by making them package deals, would be against PSU... Yeah, that would help them. PSU would have minimal to gain, we dont pick up a quality win, no extra attendance, no additional coverage in an area we need for recruiting...

    Just PA fans getting all hyped for a PA series. Not that there is anything wrong with it, but the amount each team benefits GREATLY favors Pitt.

    MTayl72

  • Well first of all if BOB wants to do it then there must be a way to get it done b/c he would know more than anyone about how the schedule needs to be made to keep the school in good financial shape. Like I've stated before other schools have yearly out of conference rivals that they play and they don't seem to be going broke. If the 3rd most profitable college football can't afford to do it there's something wrong. If we played the Bama's/ND's/Texas's of the world more often I might agree with you but it seems like we get more of the Rutgers/Syracuse/Temples of the world then we get those schools. Also, playing around the country is great and all but how has that worked for schools like ND? They play around the country all the time and it hasn't helped them.

    PSUJT0409

  • Sure it has, they've made tons of money and they get recruits from all over the country.

    Its not that they cant afford it, its that they should go for the most profitable (as a whole) option as they can. They would be completely stupid not to. And people who say that money is nt the most important factor are dumb as shit. This pays for every sport. It is the biggest factor. Not some fans wants.

    But JT$, Im willing to let BOB do his thing as well.

    MTayl72

  • MTayl72 said...

    Or the fact that the only time they would sell out their stadium, and in turn some of their other games by making them package deals, would be against PSU... Yeah, that would help them. PSU would have minimal to gain, we dont pick up a quality win, no extra attendance, no additional coverage in an area we need for recruiting...

    Just PA fans getting all hyped for a PA series. Not that there is anything wrong with it, but the amount each team benefits GREATLY favors Pitt.

    Heaven forbid that the The Pennsylvania State University does something for PA fans! Also, Pitt having one game full of PSU isn't going to help them as much as PSU consistently playing in one of their major recruiting areas. Also, the package deal argument doesn't hold much water considering I can get online and buy my ticket from StubHub or from a scalper.

    PSUJT0409

  • PSUJT$ said...

    Heaven forbid that the The Pennsylvania State University does something for PA fans! Also, Pitt having one game full of PSU isn't going to help them as much as PSU consistently playing in one of their major recruiting areas. Also, the package deal argument doesn't hold much water considering I can get online and buy my ticket from StubHub or from a scalper.

    Those tickets still have to be bought by someone to put them on stubhub. And to be originally bought they have to buy others. oops, guess it does hold water.

    As for watching out for fans, the majority of then:

    A) Dont know shit about shit
    B) Will buy them anyways

    So the inelasticiity of the tickets provides that they should do more to help their bottom line instead of something the fans will love. Its a business as well. They have to make sure they win as many games and draw fans. This Pitt series wont take a MAC game, itll take away from an ACC/other game. That hurts the program, whether the common fan like it or not.

    MTayl72

  • If BOB wants to do it, fine. Let the man go. Its his program and the admins have given him some reign to do stuff. Im happy with what he has done so far, and I would love to beat the snot out of Pitt. Im done arguing this with the flippin ambulance chaser and the PA fanboys that think this rivalry matters to America.

    Edit: language

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Seltz on 5/5/2012 at 11:11 PM

    MTayl72

  • Disagree, with the STEP program, the poor economy, and everything thats happened in the last couple months you're going to have to start playing better games or people are going to stay at home and watch the games on their HD TVs. I think it's going to become very apparent this season that people aren't going to pay big $ anymore for the schedules that we've had over the last decade. Minus a few games like Bama, ND, Etc...

    PSUJT0409

  • I'd agree they shouldn't be allowed to pull that packaging ticket BS again. I'm sure that would be a very easy concession to get them to make.

    Making the argument we shouldn't play an OOC game at a 60,000 seat stadium is penny wise and pound foolish. It's like a company slashing their investment in research to save a few dollars in the short term instead of improving the product in the long run. Letting us play our natural rival greatly improves our product. I also think PA prospects will want to stay home and play in this game instead of head south or west, especially when all of their friends and old teammates are on one side of the rivalry or the other. This would just be good for Pennsylvania football as a whole, and Penn State would certainly benefit from that.

    An Actual Lion

  • MTayl72 said...

    If BOB wants to do it, fine. Let the man go. Its his program and the admins have given him some reign to do stuff. Im happy with what he has done so far, and I would love to beat the shit out of Pitt. Im done arguing this with the fucking ambulance chaser and the PA fanboys that think this rivalry matters to America.

    You're a very pleasant person to talk to

    An Actual Lion

  • An Actual Lion said...

    You're a very pleasant person to talk to

    Honestly, I tried to be whatever about this. I understand why the rivalry matters from a pure fan point of view. I got mad of the little potshots from someone that complained I was talking down to people the other day. Thats how its going to be played, fine. I'll be an ass.

    Tbh, I am more worried about the people on our schedule than the schedule itself because we have no say in it at all. Im looking forward to the Pitt series in the future.

    MTayl72

  • MTayl72 said...

    Or the fact that the only time they would sell out their stadium, and in turn some of their other games by making them package deals, would be against PSU... Yeah, that would help them. PSU would have minimal to gain, we dont pick up a quality win, no extra attendance, no additional coverage in an area we need for recruiting...

    Just PA fans getting all hyped for a PA series. Not that there is anything wrong with it, but the amount each team benefits GREATLY favors Pitt.

    Totally agree. And as an Eastern PA person, the Pitt rivalry is even less interesting every year. I'd much rather see more teams down the coast. Not saying that I wouldn't want to play them on occasion, just leery of getting pigeon holed.

    We need to get back in on high profile early season games (like Alabama).

    Remember how often we'd play in the kickoff classic at the Meadowlands?

    Why can't we get in on some of these early neutral site games?
    (LSU / Oregon, VaTech / Boise, Alabama / Mich in Dallas, etc).

    Posas14

  • MTayl72 said...

    If BOB wants to do it, fine. Let the man go. Its his program and the admins have given him some reign to do stuff. Im happy with what he has done so far, and I would love to beat the shit out of Pitt. Im done arguing this with the fucking ambulance chaser and the PA fanboys that think this rivalry matters to America.

    Haha keep it classy. Oh and you'll hate on lawyers till you accidentally injure someone or get wrongfully charged with a crime and then you'll be running to the closest lawyer you can find!

    This post was edited by PSUJT0409 on 5/5/2012 at 9:53 PM

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  • PSUJT$ said...

    Haha keep it classy. Oh and you'll hate on lawyers till you accidentally injure some or get wrongfully charged with a crime and then you'll be running to the closest lawyer you can find!

    Incorrect, I love lawyers. They are a hated profession for mainly no reason. A few give the many a bad name. I did that to get a rise out of you and I was tired of the barbs after you complained I talked down to too many folks, which is all you did. I had enjoyed my conversation about the subject.

    The PA thing, well thats hard to argue. The Pitt/PSU rivalry hasnt mattered outside of PA in decades. Its not important. Both arent huge winning names, especially Pitt. When (yes when) PSU becomes a national power again that may change the dynamic.

    MTayl72

  • MTayl72 said...

    Incorrect, I love lawyers. They are a hated profession for mainly no reason. A few give the many a bad name. I did that to get a rise out of you and I was tired of the barbs after you complained I talked down to too many folks, which is all you did. I had enjoyed my conversation about the subject.

    The PA thing, well thats hard to argue. The Pitt/PSU rivalry hasnt mattered outside of PA in decades. Its not important. Both arent huge winning names, especially Pitt. When (yes when) PSU becomes a national power again that may change the dynamic.

    I don't really think I was talking down to anyone. I was the one who got attacked for basically saying I know it won't happen and I know most people would be against it but I would like to play Pitt every year. Then I was called selfish and retarded in a matter of 15 min.

    This post was edited by PSUJT0409 on 5/5/2012 at 10:26 PM

    PSUJT0409

  • PSUJT$ said...

    I don't really think I was talking down to anyone. I was the one who got attacked for basically saying I know it won't happen and I know most people would be against it but I would like to play Pitt every year. Then I was called selfish and retarded in a matter of 15 min.

    Well yes, I dont think WSM delivered that appropriately. Thats his issue on here generally. I dont think youre retarded, maybe a little selfish (we generally are) with wanting the rivalry, but not extraordinarily so. Just mainly wrong (imo) lol.

    MTayl72

  • Old Coaly said...

    “I would love to see that game played on an annual basis,” O’Brien told the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review in a story published Saturday. “I have a tremendous amount of respect for (Pitt coach) Paul Chryst and their program, and that’s a great rivalry.

    Not sure I agree ... I remember the rivalry and it had some high points, but as a teenager in Pitt Stadium I was afraid for my life. Some real whacko's there as we all know.

    Aww son of a...

    First time I will be rooting for BO'B to fail is if he tries to make this go through. Waste of time, boring, etc. Helps them, and we get little to nothing out of it. And of course, we already have enough MAC or Ohio Valley or whatever match - ups :)

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  • Not to deadhorse but I was thinking about possible ways to make up the $ lost from not having another game and I remember that when schools like Texas and Texas A&M play that they have corporate sponsors who help put on the game and then they make $ off it. This could be a possible alternative way to make up the funding shortfall from PSU losing a home game. I'm not sure that they're would be sponsor willing to do it but if there were it could really help solve the $ problem.

    PSUJT0409