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BIG Expansion

  • Doesn't look like the BigTen has any plans to expand in the near future based on Delaney's comments in the Chicago Tribune today...

    "We're about as comfortable as we can be with where we are. We've said we will continue to monitor the landscape, but we have closed down active expansion. Every period you look at it, but we don’t expect anything the SEC does to affect us."

    Two senior athletic administrators from the Big Ten recently told ESPN.com that to assume the Big Ten will expand just because other major conferences might do so would be a mistake. They pointed to the importance of finding schools that truly fit the league, and noted that there could be a reluctance to share the growing revenue pie with many more members.

    Although the league must monitor the national landscape, it won't expand just for the sake of expanding. Ask yourself this: How many other Penn States and Nebraskas are out there? I don't see too many.

    PSU_USMC

  • Please. This is Delany learning his lesson from talking too much last time around. If the SEC moves to 16 teams, we will move.

    TX, ND, and the ACC schools are in play

    POV ●

  • I think the invites to Notre Dame and Texas are out there. Delaney won't expand just to expand. Expansion make sense only if it improves the revenue stream. Texas and Notre Dame would add tons of eyeballs and cash, but those schools don't want to revenue share as they have sweet TV deals currently.

    Basketball makes no difference for expansion. It is academic standing and football, period. I think Delaney is waiting on Notre Dame or Texas. No need to add a Missouri, Pitt, Duke(academics, yes, football, no) or UNC....

    Just my 2 cents...

    PSUGrad91

  • PSUGrad91 said...

    I think the invites to Notre Dame and Texas are out there. Delaney won't expand just to expand. Expansion make sense only if it improves the revenue stream. Texas and Notre Dame would add tons of eyeballs and cash, but those schools don't want to revenue share as they have sweet TV deals currently.

    Basketball makes no difference for expansion. It is academic standing and football, period. I think Delaney is waiting on Notre Dame or Texas. No need to add a Missouri, Pitt, Duke(academics, yes, football, no) or UNC....

    Just my 2 cents...

    Agree 100%. They want ND or Texas, and if neither come on board, they aren't going to add teams just to add them. Nebraska was a no brainer, but there aren't any more of those teams out there.

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  • would not be stunned to hear that the acc has invited uconn and syracuse...which means, big ten gets texas and nd (maybe)...pitt and wvu.

    all of a sudden you have a super power 16 team conference, that splits easily into 2 8 team divisions.

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  • pdiehm said...

    would not be stunned to hear that the acc has invited uconn and syracuse...which means, big ten gets texas and nd (maybe)...pitt and wvu.

    all of a sudden you have a super power 16 team conference, that splits easily into 2 8 team divisions.

    I would say there is next to no chance that WVU gets invited, and I think Rutgers would be ahead of Pitt out of the Big East. A bunch of ACC schools will still be in play as that conference would become really unstable depending on who flees to the SEC..

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  • I say that's a bluff on Delaney's part. IF the SEC expands, especially to 16 teams, the B1G will follow suit. The Pac 12 will certainly do the same as well. Personally, I would love to add Texas and ND but I honestly don't think either of them want any part of being in a conference. ND has already made that point well known and Texas going about things on their own and creating their own TV network, says a lot about where I think they want to head as well - Independence.

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  • PSUjosh11 said...

    I say that's a bluff on Delaney's part. IF the SEC expands, especially to 16 teams, the B1G will follow suit. The Pac 12 will certainly do the same as well. Personally, I would love to add Texas and ND but I honestly don't think either of them want any part of being in a conference. ND has already made that point well known and Texas going about things on their own and creating their own TV network, says a lot about where I think they want to head as well - Independence.

    If there are four 16 team super-conferences, TX and ND may not have much of a choice if those four conferences agree to a 4 team playoff amongst one another.

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  • No way the Big 10 is just going to sit around and let all the other conferences cherry pick the most attractive schools. Delaney is not a stupid man....

    PSULIONS17

  • Delany won't expand just to expand.
    If Texas, ND, or UNC-Duke are in play, he'll go after them.

    There aren't a lot of programs that fit the B1G / CIC requirements . . . . remember, CIC (B1G schools plus Univ. of Chicago) performed over $7 Billion in funded research last year, and they save themselves millions in sharing resources.

    ****ty programs like Oklahoma St or WVU have zero chance of ever being invited to the B1G when academics & research are considered.

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  • pdiehm said...

    would not be stunned to hear that the acc has invited uconn and syracuse...which means, big ten gets texas and nd (maybe)...pitt and wvu.

    all of a sudden you have a super power 16 team conference, that splits easily into 2 8 team divisions.

    This=pipedream IMO.

    Personally, I would love to invite Texas up to HV every other year to beat their brains in, but it ain't happening.

    JMO here, but why would Delaney let an administration like the one at Texas into the B1G? Why would the B1G let Texas bring their own network in? And its not like that network is going away any time soon.

    They torpedoed the Big 12's media contracts, why wouldn't they try to do that with us in the B1G?

    With ND, there is history and significant rivalries that would make officially annual. Not to mention geography.

    With Texas, there is no history with ANY of the B1G teams outside of Nebraska, which was a relatively fresh "rivalry" anyway. They really didn't play each other that often (because they never made the conference title game), and there wasn't much bad blood between the two programs before the Big 8 became the Big 12.

    Idk, I just don't see it. They'd be a great addition money wise, but as a program I think they and the "Longhorn Network" are poison to any conference that adds them.

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  • Texas Lion said...

    This=pipedream IMO.

    Personally, I would love to invite Texas up to HV every other year to beat their brains in, but it ain't happening.

    JMO here, but why would Delaney let an administration like the one at Texas into the B1G? Why would the B1G let Texas bring their own network in? And its not like that network is going away any time soon.

    They torpedoed the Big 12's media contracts, why wouldn't they try to do that with us in the B1G?

    With ND, there is history and significant rivalries that would make officially annual. Not to mention geography.

    With Texas, there is no history with ANY of the B1G teams outside of Nebraska, which was a relatively fresh "rivalry" anyway. They really didn't play each other that often (because they never made the conference title game), and there wasn't much bad blood between the two programs before the Big 8 became the Big 12.

    Idk, I just don't see it. They'd be a great addition money wise, but as a program I think they and the "Longhorn Network" are poison to any conference that adds them.

    ^ All of this +100.

    The network deal seems like it'd be the biggest hurdle with getting Texas, and may be with Notre Dame as well but that one can go either way. NBC has Notre Dame locked up through 2015. I'm sure things like that could be renegotiated to include game sharing between the BTN and NBC. But that seems like it'd take a lot of backstage finagling, which means nothing imminent.

    The Big Ten being an "all sports" conference would make it interesting if the B1G went after more Big East teams. ND is a Big East basketball team, and that conference already has 936 basketball teams as is (estimated). If if if if if we are talking expansion and going after the Big East instead of the ACC (because honestly, who's really left if FSU and VT go SEC? Maryland? Nice old rivalry but..meh.), Pitt and WVU make the most geographical sense and getting those rivalries back would be fantastic for us. The only upside I could see in going after Duke/UNC would be for basketball; that'd give the B1G a huge power push.

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  • PSUGrad91 said...

    I think the invites to Notre Dame and Texas are out there. Delaney won't expand just to expand. Expansion make sense only if it improves the revenue stream. Texas and Notre Dame would add tons of eyeballs and cash, but those schools don't want to revenue share as they have sweet TV deals currently.

    Basketball makes no difference for expansion. It is academic standing and football, period. I think Delaney is waiting on Notre Dame or Texas. No need to add a Missouri, Pitt, Duke(academics, yes, football, no) or UNC....

    Just my 2 cents...

    This is a very complex issue, I don't think it makes sense to discuss "lesser schools" without a complete evaluation and accurate projection about ND and Texas.

    Here are some issues to consider, I am sure there are others important as well.

    ND....Since NBC was bought out by Comcast, there has been substantial rumbling about the development of an NBC sports channel to rival ESPN.

    This places ND in a bind since the word is that Comcast wants to affiliate with a conference to be able to expand their sports offerings 24/7. ND simply can't provide the number of meaningful events by themselves...last year they provided about 1/3 of the viewing audience that the "better" games provided ( less than 2% viewership)...The ND TV contract is on thin ice.

    If the BIG expands it reduces the scheduling options for ND....It will be nice to watch them travel to Texas or BYU for their "Olympic" sports. Who cares about ND vs the Academies?

    Texas... They are banking on most folks in Texas "subscribing" to their network..I personally think it is a pipe dream since they will carry only TWO Football games and maybe 10 BB games.

    You can run only so many replays.

    The NCAA has already shot down the idea of the LHN show casing high school games...and put the stop to them sponsoring an all star game. There is simply not enough product to satisfy a 24/7 network that can be generated by one school...particularly without recruiting,HS sports or live action.

    While both ND and Texas still are the best of the low hanging fruit, they come with some substantial problems...particularly if they expect any special treatment.

    My prediction...they will both end up in conferences....problem is that their choices may be to accept membership as simply another one of the boys ( ego problems might be big obstacles)...or find a lesser conference that they can have their way with. That route is Not going so well for Texas currently as their conference is walking away from them as we speak.

    FLY ●

  • Fly, I agree completely with your assessment. I still think that Notre Dame would be the most logical addition for academics, football tradition and geography. The NBC deal is the biggest obstacle to work out with the Big Ten Network. We agree that it will come down to contract negotiations with Comcast/NBC and the Big Ten channels in my view. I'd think that NBC would love to have Ohio State-Michigan or PSU-Nebraska as highlighted games instead of seeing them on ABC/ESPN. I think it eventually gets done, just not this year.

    As far as Texas, that deal I agree is harder to work out. The Longhorn network and Texas being unwilling to equally share in the conference revenue is hard to get past. However, the Big 12(now nine) needs to add 3 teams just for the revenue for a championship game. They have 2 choices- add schools like SMU and Houston and continue dominating all teams not named Oklahoma, or jump ship for the best deal (Pac12 or Big 10). I see an eventual compromise to join another conference, again not for a few more years unless Oklahoma bolts for another conference soon.

    I don't see expansion of the Big 10 until a few more dominoes fall. Texas A+M may be the first of them to fall. I don't think it puts Delaney in a panic to expand ASAP or be left out.

    PSUGrad91

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