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Argument between Willard Preacher and Penn State Professor

  • NitLionsGo said...

    That's called disorderly conduct, and some have argued that what WP is classified the same in his actions. There have been days where police have showed up to tell him to leave because of him crossing that line.

    This. +100000

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  • NitLionsGo said...

    He wants to get under people's skin and cause a scene, just to show that he has self control whereas others don't. Every time someone reacts, it's a personal victory for him. Honestly, they should let PSU and law enforcement handle it when he's throwing insults at normal students. It's a quality of life issue, and PSU is private property by definition.

    I'm a police officer now, and if I knew what I know now back then, I would have called the police into the matter and filed a complaint. You don't have the right to confront random strangers, obstruct their path on the sidewalk, just to call them a whore, and convince yourself it's free speech.

    Sadly enough, this is coming from a guy who is hiding behind the image that he's a Christian man, but reality is that he is more focused on discussing hell and his Orthodoxy religion.

    Man. Stop making sense...

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  • Texas Lion said...

    He brings up an interesting point about the freedom of speech not equating to the freedom to badger or berate those around him.

    If this were done at a McDonald's, the preacher would probably be asked to leave, but because it's on a public university's grounds and he is somewhat of a figure on campus, he gets the pass.

    I don't really care either way, the preacher doesn't bother me personally, but I could see why he would bother others.

    Good news my friend, public universities and public schools still operate on private property. If students complain or call the police for a disorderly individual (or harassment), he can/will be asked to leave.

    He's been removed from campus multiple times in the past for his behavior, they just haven't barred him from campus or given him a no trespass notice, which is why he's free to return.

    NitLionsGo

  • I have no issues with individuals who have been targeted with insults filing harrassment charges--that's an appropriate response.

    When it has happened to me, I've shrugged it off as idiotic people and went on my way. But a target certainly has the right to choose otherwise.

    As long as he doesn't get shut down because people disagree with his worldview, than I'm fine with it. That's the line that shouldn't be crossed.

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  • dliz87 said...

    I have no issues with individuals who have been targeted with insults filing harrassment charges--that's an appropriate response.

    When it has happened to me, I've shrugged it off as idiotic people and went on my way. But a target certainly has the right to choose otherwise.

    As long as he doesn't get shut down because people disagree with his worldview, than I'm fine with it. That's the line that shouldn't be crossed.

    Whole heartedly agree.

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  • PHD77 said...

    Yes and no. I agree that usually it is best to just move on (not worth the time or effort, as you will not change their mind)...however, there is something about "what is good for the goose is good for the gander, too" in this. When someone exercises their right to free speech to CONSTANTLY harass and harangue...it is kind of nice to see a courageous soul stand up to them loudly and "call them out." Again, kudos to the professor.

    I concur. The Willard dude is more like the Westboro Baptists who protest Service men & women funerals than not. Freedom of speech or not.

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  • NitLionsGo said...

    Good news my friend, public universities and public schools still operate on private property. If students complain or call the police for a disorderly individual (or harassment), he can/will be asked to leave.

    He's been removed from campus multiple times in the past for his behavior, they just haven't barred him from campus or given him a no trespass notice, which is why he's free to return.

    I agree with this stance. If he crosses the line, file and he should be gone. But he cannot be barred generally. He has a right to say whatever he wants.

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  • dliz87 said...

    I have no issues with individuals who have been targeted with insults filing harrassment charges--that's an appropriate response.

    When it has happened to me, I've shrugged it off as idiotic people and went on my way. But a target certainly has the right to choose otherwise.

    As long as he doesn't get shut down because people disagree with his worldview, than I'm fine with it. That's the line that shouldn't be crossed.

    I actually agree with you here.

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  • danmcc said...

    lol, ok. Who's the starting QB come game 1?

    I'm going to say Bench, but I think Hack is the best qb on the team as soon as he gets to campus.

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  • The professor gave him exactly what he wanted. End of story.

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  • Did not think the prof sounded angry, passionate but not angry or irrate. Prof IMO made good points. I went to PSU Behrend, so I did not have to listen to this guy, but enjoyed the crack pots in Speakers Corner in London, this guy sounds similar. See link on Speakers Corner.

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  • I respect everyone's opinion, they have a right to say what they want. That being said...i don't force my opinion on anyone...i'm glad the professor said something to him. Sure, its what he wants...but at the end of the day we have rights too. I don't think any student/professor should have to listen to this knucklehead spew garbage everyday when they enter or leave a building. It becomes down right annoying. If he wants to preach he can do it from a street corner, not on campus. On a street corner, people can avoid him if they don't want to listen...where he is now is unavoidable for many people because they need to access the building.

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  • dliz87 said...

    I have no issues with individuals who have been targeted with insults filing harrassment charges--that's an appropriate response.

    When it has happened to me, I've shrugged it off as idiotic people and went on my way. But a target certainly has the right to choose otherwise.

    As long as he doesn't get shut down because people disagree with his worldview, than I'm fine with it. That's the line that shouldn't be crossed.

    Maybe he should be hired to attend Emmeret's next speech.

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  • Being a Christian I agree with a lot of what the Willard Preacher says, but his delivery is all wrong. You're not going to bring people to God by chasing them around and telling them they're going to hell. It's like the old SNL skit where Chris Farley is trying to convince the kids if they smoke pot they'll end up living in a van down by the river. Goes in one ear and out the other.

    The Christian message is one of love, grace, and hope. If he preached it the way it's supposed to be preached he would see greater results. The fact that he doesn't tells me he's an attention whore.

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  • It is all part of having a public campus. Public forum is a great way to provoke thoughts. Regardless of what you believe in, he gets people to think. So did this professor.

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  • tmaluchnik said...

    You know how he became the Willard Preacher? During his partying and dropping out of school days, he dropped acid and got a calling from god in front of the Willard Building. At least that is the story I heard.

    Anyways, I dont mind the Preacher doing his thing as it is mainly entertainment during walks or killing some time. I dont really listen to him much (though he can actually be humorous at times), but it does intrigue me as I wait for someone to argue with him.

    onward state has an interview with him, the story i heard was he sold his sole to the devil, and he gets to live two more days for every one day he spends preaching the word of the lord to students

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  • Roaringlion said...

    onward state has an interview with him, the story i heard was he sold his sole to the devil, and he gets to live two more days for every one day he spends preaching the word of the lord to students

    this sounds like a man who is completely sane and should remain a functional member of society.. how does this guy not get a restraining order from the university after admitting that? have we not learned anything from vtech, aurora, sandy hook and all the other tragedies involving crazed people?

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  • If he did say something to a random girl as she walked by and called her something awful, then the professor is 100% in the right. Anyone who argues this has serious issues. He can preach all he wants, 99% of students just walk by and ignore it. However, once he crosses that line and accuses someone he does not know of being a whore or slut - that is no longer preaching or free speech, that is harrassment. Although this is what he wants, I cannot wait for the day he crosses the line to the wrong person and gets knocked out.

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  • Therre was a Willard preacher in the mid 70's. He was just a fire and brimstone kind of guy and everyone seemed to just ignore him-he never called out women!

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  • holstein51 said...

    It is all part of having a public campus. Public forum is a great way to provoke thoughts. Regardless of what you believe in, he gets people to think. So did this professor.

    He is not just espousing his viewpoint. I would be ok with it, if that was all he was doing...annoyed, but ok. What he IS doing is harassing students and verbally abusing the female students. This is not acceptable and actually should be firmly dealt with. Simply my 2 cents.

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  • tango2 said...

    Therre was a Willard preacher in the mid 70's. He was just a fire and brimstone kind of guy and everyone seemed to just ignore him-he never called out women!

    Well, this guy ain't your ole Willard preacher...

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  • HolyLion said...

    Being a Christian I agree with a lot of what the Willard Preacher says, but his delivery is all wrong. You're not going to bring people to God by chasing them around and telling them they're going to hell. It's like the old SNL skit where Chris Farley is trying to convince the kids if they smoke pot they'll end up living in a van down by the river. Goes in one ear and out the other.

    The Christian message is one of love, grace, and hope. If he preached it the way it's supposed to be preached he would see greater results. The fact that he doesn't tells me he's an attention whore.

    He's not a Christian though, which is why his message is not one of love, grace, and faith. I'm a Christian as well, and study doctrine and theology in my spare time. The guy is pure orthodoxy, which claim to be Christians, but they aren't. He doesn't believe in a faith based faith, he believes you earn faith. To the orthodoxy belief, the Bible is not whole, while other theologians correct issues in the Bible throughout time. His message is a message of self-worth, not a message of Christ. He constantly rebukes Protestants and Catholics for their belief in Christ, claiming it has no standing with God.

    Not starting a religious debate here, I just wanted to clarify in any way possible that this guy is not a Christian, even though he claims he is.

    Yes, I agree with you that he is an attention whore.

    NitLionsGo

  • rmj147 said...

    Well, this guy ain't your ole Willard preacher...

    Nope-he be the new sheriff in town

    tango2

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