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Academic Redshirts are coming...

  • Interesting...I like it.

    New incoming eligibility standards create term - ESPN

    The toughest initial-eligibility requirements ever enacted start with the Class of 2016 and bring with them a new term -- academic redshirt.

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  • This is ridiculous:

    "A survey conducted by the NCAA indicated that of all freshmen football players to enroll at Division I schools last fall, approximately 40 percent would have failed to meet the 2016 requirements."

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    • Last July to open the SEC football media days, league commissioner Mike Slive outlined a proposal that had many similarities to the NCAA's new requirements for 2016, announced mere months later. Coincidence?

    Yes, said Colorado professor David Clough, president of the NCAA's Faculty Athletics Representatives Association. This legislation was in the works long before last summer, Clough said, spurred by the NCAA's academic cabinet and the committee on academic performance.

    "I respect the position of the SEC and its commissioner," Clough said, "but this wasn't a quick response."

    This post was edited by tmaluchnik on 5/3/2012 at 11:14 AM

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  • Maybe not the place for this but....

    I love Penn State and I love college football but the older I get and the more I think about it I don't think colleges should be in the business of athletics. New leagues have come along and tried to challege the NFL (AFL, USFL, ARENA, UFL) all these leagues were fighting for kids coming out of college. Why doesn't anybody create a league to challenge the NCAA. Pay players out of high school and you wont have to worry about them qualifying for college. We all know lots of these kids don't care about academics so why make them. Make a league that recruits or drafts players out of high school and put an age limit on it like 23. Make it so a player can drop out of college and enter your league if they're under 23. College can still be an option for the guys that want it but it gives them another option for guys that have no business being in college. Just seems that athletic departments at most schools do nothing but drain university resources and put a heavy financial burden on the university, taxpayers and fans.

    blackshoes

  • Sounds like an SEC loophole to me. Basically nothing changes. Once they get these kids into school they'll make sure they pass their nine credit hours and it'll all be fine. Only change is that a lot of the high profile kids won't be able to play as freshman. Big deal.

    new-era said... Psu doesnt have enough to beat the conferences better teams and wiscy is one of them.

    leftcoastlion

  • blackshoes said...

    Maybe not the place for this but....

    I love Penn State and I love college football but the older I get and the more I think about it I don't think colleges should be in the business of athletics. New leagues have come along and tried to challege the NFL (AFL, USFL, ARENA, UFL) all these leagues were fighting for kids coming out of college. Why doesn't anybody create a league to challenge the NCAA. Pay players out of high school and you wont have to worry about them qualifying for college. We all know lots of these kids don't care about academics so why make them. Make a league that recruits or drafts players out of high school and put an age limit on it like 23. Make it so a player can drop out of college and enter your league if they're under 23. College can still be an option for the guys that want it but it gives them another option for guys that have no business being in college. Just seems that athletic departments at most schools do nothing but drain university resources and put a heavy financial burden on the university, taxpayers and fans.

    It's possible, but it'll take a long long time to get off the ground. The aura and tradition behind college football is too big and storied.

    It works for hockey, with the major junior leagues up in Canada, but those didn't have to overcome anything this massive.

    PureRockFury

  • blackshoes said...

    Maybe not the place for this but....

    I love Penn State and I love college football but the older I get and the more I think about it I don't think colleges should be in the business of athletics. New leagues have come along and tried to challege the NFL (AFL, USFL, ARENA, UFL) all these leagues were fighting for kids coming out of college. Why doesn't anybody create a league to challenge the NCAA. Pay players out of high school and you wont have to worry about them qualifying for college. We all know lots of these kids don't care about academics so why make them. Make a league that recruits or drafts players out of high school and put an age limit on it like 23. Make it so a player can drop out of college and enter your league if they're under 23. College can still be an option for the guys that want it but it gives them another option for guys that have no business being in college. Just seems that athletic departments at most schools do nothing but drain university resources and put a heavy financial burden on the university, taxpayers and fans.

    I hear you with respect to the association of sports and universities, but I think the more opportunity you give people to give up on education, the worse off things will be for them. For every kid who makes it into an out-of-high school option there will be 10, 100, or 1000 who thought they could make it and do not, and that leaves them with no job and no education, and that's not a group of people we need to be expanding in this country.

    PSUDOC

  • PureRockFury said...

    It's possible, but it'll take a long long time to get off the ground. The aura and tradition behind college football is too big and storied.

    It works for hockey, with the major junior leagues up in Canada, but those didn't have to overcome anything this massive.

    That's why I have always liked the idea of the big football schools setting up the football department as a separate entity outside the scope of the university and NCAA (a loosely affiliated team). Pay the players and give them 5 years max on a roster. If they want to go to school great, if not so what. Dump the 20 hours per week rules and let them step their game up that much quicker.

    helpdesk

  • "Sounds like an SEC loophole to me. Basically nothing changes. Once they get these kids into school they'll make sure they pass their nine credit hours and it'll all be fine. Only change is that a lot of the high profile kids won't be able to play as freshman. Big deal."

    Yea but everyone's gonna have to be careful how many scholarships they tie up with freshmen academic redshirts. That 40%, while certainly higher than it will be once everyone responds, is probably concentrated in football factories. If they continue to take academic risks, they could end up with a significant portion of the roster ineligible to play.

    Overall I like it. It kind of supports Joe's position of making freshmen ineligible --- only those who are more prepared will actually be able to play, those who clearly aren't, will have to sit.

    This post was edited by Old Coaly on 5/3/2012 at 10:21 PM

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