The Lions' Pride

This is a good point. But I have to wonder why schools like Notre Dame and Texas aren't jumping at all this research money. If the research money is so great, why is Notre Dame going to the ACC?
When conference realignment comes up, do schools ever consider research money? It seems all schools are trying to do what is best for their football program.

First, I love your name. Awesome.

You said taking money out of it, that's laughable. Taking money out of it, I'd be in Florida on the beach every weekend, and Arkansas duck hunting all fall. But this is the real world, money is number one.

Also, redundancy of markets is a big deal. Its why the B1G won't add anywhere they already own (Pitt). It doesn't add the TVs. Hell St.Louis wasn't big enough for Mizzou, along with other issues. The B1G can pick who it wants, they don't settle for Pitt and Cuse.

Also, I'm a fan too. Money matters to me, and honestly, I love playing OSU, Michigan, Nebraska etc. Name-wise the only conference that beats it up and down is SEC with the Big XII being top heavy.

In conclusion: MONEY MONEY MONEY.

Haha thanks. It's been my fantasy football name for years.

I understand that if the money is greater in the big10, the move will never happen. Do you see what I'm saying about research money though? Why aren't Notre Dame and Texas jumping at a chance at this research money? As for the tv markets, IF Notre Dame and PSU joined the ACC network would get at least the same type of deal as the big10 network, probably better.

As a fan, I like playing Nebraska, Michigan, and OSU also. I'd like playing Florida St, Miami, Va Tech, and hopefully Notre Dame even more though. I live in Pittsburgh and I went to the Indiana game in DC. I would've went to the Virginia game this year too, but I had a wedding to go to. The next time I visit a big10 stadium will be the first time. I have no interest in visiting anywhere in the big10 region.

JMO, I work in economic development with a focus on the role of Universities.

Here are my thoughts on ND:

ND is a great academic school, but by no means a research powerhouse (they barely crack the the top 50 in total R&D and Federal R&D). That doesn't make them less of an academic school, but more inline with the ACC type institutions (very strong academics, but attraction if research funding is not #1 priority). Exclude UNC, Va Tech, Ga Tech and MD, most B1G schools pull in significantly total R&D and federal R&D than the ACC (actually Pitt helps that).

Texas by itself is a research power house and a huge media market, joining the B1G probably would not significantly increase its research dollars to offset the money lost from its own network (longhorn network).

Just for point of reference in 2008, 5 B1G schools were in to the top 20 in federal R&D obligations. The Pac 10 had 4; the ACC had 1; the Big East had 1 (pitt which will be leaving)...the rest were Ivy league and others (MIT, Washington U of St. Louis, Hopkins and UC San Diego).

ACC hands down. Much better rivalries. Who is our rival in the Big Ten? No one! Imagine the ACC north (or coastal or whatever they call it) with Syracuse, BC, MD, UVA, VA Tech, and PSU. Rivals! The only sports that are better in the Big Ten (I refuse to use that horrible icon) are wrestling and hockey. As for the BTN money, people forget that if the Big Ten lost Penn State a HUGE chunck of that BTN money would go away. How many TVs in PA, NJ, MD, or NY would be tuned into BTN if no Penn State? They could lose 15-20% of their revenue. If we joined the ACC, those TVs would follow and maybe the ACC network would be born. Let's see Delaney spin that one.

Football-wise, I agree it would be fun to play our old eastern rivals. That said, for the university as a whole, Big Ten membership is the best thing for them. By a solid margin.

Yet in true Big Ten fashion, Wisconsin and Michigan voted Nebraska out of AAU.

Can anyone tell me where the money for research comes from for Penn State. Everyone keeps saying it's because we are in the Big 10, but why? Would we not get the funding if we weren't in the Big 10? I really don't have any clue on this. I understand the athletic money and tv revenue, but not the research side of things. Someone elaborate.

The economics of the big ten are not even close to matched by the ACC. ACC has been a revolving door and will continue to draw on those BIG East powerhouse football teams. The only decent football teams are VA Tech FSU and Miami (when it wants to be good). At the end of the day, your academic reputation in the big ten is a lot more favorable than being grouped with ACC schools. ND joining was more of a defensive move as it looks like the Big East is on its way out. It will be interesting to see if the ACC remains as I think you will end up with 4 super conferences and everyone else but that is jmo.

Ideally, we would be in the Eastern Conference that Joe wanted to form back in the day. Hmm...what a novel idea. Way to piss on the idea Pitt, no wonder Joe didnt care to play little brother. When little brother acts up like a child, you dont play with him.

OR

Penn State
Pitt
Syracuse
Notre Dame
Boston College
Maryland
Virginia
Virginia Tech

Looks like an all sports eastern conference to me...AKA ACC North

I agree, I have yet to see actual data on why it would be better for PSU to stay in the B10 other than general statements like "we make more money" or "we receive more funding for research."

I do recall that post by someone, I think on TAP, about our research funding and grants mirroring the rest of the country.

So you have rivals that with the exception of VA Tech have not put a great product on the field in years. Sounds good to me