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  • I hope everyone who thinks/wishes/dreams that PSU gets the death penalty reads this, and reads this closely.
    *******

    It's amazing that people can't get that this is an administrative problem and not a football problem. It's equally amazing that people can't get that this is a criminal preceding and not an issue where the NCAA has original jurisdiction. There is a lot of wishful thinking in these two regards.

    What does giving the death penalty to Penn State do anyways? It punishes the people who did no wrong in the first place. If Sandusky and Paterno were still part of the team it would be a different matter. Sandusky however is in prison and Paterno is dead. Most of the staff (granted, it should be all of the former staff) is gone, a large number of higher ups at the university that were involved in this are gone... there's nothing left to punish. You can only squeeze so much blood from a turnip.

    And if you do this to the university, who hurts the most? Is the the players that did absolutely nothing wrong? The same players that made a commitment to play for a university and potentially start there? The same students that have already had to make major adjustments in life and would have to make just as many adjustments? The same students that have played hard for a team to get where they are, and would have to start from square one in their senior, their junior, their sophomore seasons?

    How about the student body that has done absolutely nothing wrong? Should we punish them because they simply root for the Nittany Lions? The same students that have supported their team through thick and now thin? The same students that have condemned the university for not taking appropriate action and who have supported the due process of the law?

    How about the student athletes in other sports? Should we punish them for wearing navy and white? By getting rid of the football team for a season and perhaps having them play on the road for future years, we could simply shut down the basketball teams. Perhaps because of this we can take down their renowned volleyball team for what a member of administration did. How do you want to tell the other athletic teams that because of mob opinion that their sports can't run on the same athletic budget?

    How about the community that has supported Penn State through all of these years and have become a part of the Penn State family? What about the businesses that depend upon the business of 107,000+ fans that come in during autumn Saturdays? Perhaps the money will come from elsewhere; surely the dependance on so many patrons is not that much for a mom and pop shop to write off. Perhaps the people who will find unemployment due to a lack of sales will find another job elsewhere in this terrible economy.

    Who will the death penalty punish? It's an easy question to answer when you look at the big picture. Sandusky doesn't care now that the football program has a tarnished reputation; all he has to worry about is living though his jail time. Paterno can't care now; his judgement is in higher hands whatever that judgement may be. To many on this board it's ok to repeat the Treaty of Versailles. All the people who did absolutely nothing wrong have been painted as target practice by many members of this board. And what will it acomplish? Will the rapes be erased? Will Sandusky have never existed?

    Penn State already has a mountain to climb. There will be a good number of suits on their hands and the money is going to flow faster than liqueur after the repeal of the 21st amendment. Their reputation is tarnished and it's going to be a long time before any of the painful memories can be eased. Penn State is only starting the healing process.

    What happened at Penn State is horrible; I'm not excusing Paterno or his staff and administration for what happened. What I am saying however is that any sort of penalty against the student athletes is going to hurt many innocent people and will not affect the perpetrators nor the true victims. If you're ready to nuke central Pennsylvania, remember that you are about to ruin the lives of innocent students, employees, residents and the economy. If you can live with the destruction of an entire community that is still trying to recover from the horror of what happen, then perhaps the death penalty is for you. However, if you listen to reason and if you judge without bias, you will realize that too many innocent people have already been hurt. I appeal to your reason, and I ask that you think before you judge a reeling university before you hand down your own judgement.

    This post was edited by white_out on 7/14/2012 at 3:19 PM

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  • How about this. Since the program brings in around 50 million per year if they keep all other programs either the student body will need to pony up approximately another $500 per year or the tax payers of the commonwealth will be asked to do so.

    LBU59

  • Anyone advocating the death penalty is an idiot. Period. It is total nonsense.

    And it is not happening.

    new-era said... Psu doesnt have enough to beat the conferences better teams and wiscy is one of them.

    leftcoastlion

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  • I give you credit for making a reasoned argurment, that said the groups that this arguement should be directed toward are completely incapable of reason. Sports writers like Bob Costas and Christine Brennan have no concerns about the destructive effect the Death Penalty would have on Women's Volleyball or Men's Gymnastics. They certainly don't give a rip about the effect it would have on the economy of Centre County. Their only concern is making headlines and driving readers and tv viewers.

    As for opposing fan bases every one of them that are calling for LOIC or The Death Penalty do so with hopes of some gain for their respective programs. Wether they see PSU's fall as a potential gain in recruiting, media exposure, or prestige they are all sharpening their daggers to inflict the killing blow. Don't believe me? Take a cruise around some of our neighbors boards and you will see more threads about PSU than you will find on PSU Boards.

    What about the victims is a popular refrain spouted by many a troll on this board and others. Well for starters their tormenter is in prison for life. Second, counseling services are available for all victims of abuse should they desire it. Finally all will recieve generous financial settlements for their pain and suffering both from Penn St and other entities. Will this undo the horrors inflicted on them? Obviously not, but how would tearing down an entire university community accomplish anything either?

    This post was edited by Ldandy on 7/14/2012 at 11:01 AM

    Ldandy

  • Everywhere I've been I've been saying the same thing.... call in on radio shows.... at work.... at the bar.... everywhere. Still some morons out there but each person (save one) that I've talked to re: the subject has backed off thinking there should be NCAA sanctions.

    But I never doubt the level of idiocy that exists in this world.... and the NCAA is a prime example of it. Always worried about what level of nonsense they're going to do next.

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  • The NCAA often punishes the masses for the transgressions of a few (see USC). The reason for that is the the rules the NCAA enforces involving amateurism and fair play can be broken without breaking legal laws or moral guildlines. Since there really isn't anything "wrong" or illegal with players getting tattoos for gear, the NCAA has these stiff penalities as a deterrent so that athletic departments set up compliance offices, have just cause statements in coaches conctracts regarding major violations, and so that athletes know even if they have graduated, their actions can greatly affect an entire program after they leave.
    There is no need for an NCAA santion related deterrent for covering up child abuse. It is illegal so we have the justice system and civil cases. It is immoral so we have the court of public opinion. And unlike NCAA violations, it is almost unprecedented on this scale at a major university. With laws changing around the country, and universities around the world using this as a case study, it is insulting to college football to think that NCAA sanctions needs to be part of an additional deterrent. Again, I understand why the NCAA punishes entire programs for the actions of a few, despite the gross unfairness of those actions, but it is not in the least bit necessary.

    This post was edited by thefonz on 7/14/2012 at 11:29 AM

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  • White_out great post

    Love it!

    It needs to be posted on Cory Giger's wall and all other haters.

    JoePa is dead....why keep beating on him. Sad these children where sexually abused but it can't be taken back and I think giving PSU football death penalty just keeps pouring gas on fire instead of extinguishing it and moving on!!!

    We Are....

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  • white_out said...

    I hope everyone who thinks/wishes/dreams that PSU gets the death penalty reads this, and reads this closely.
    *******

    It's amazing that people can't get that this is an administrative problem and not a football problem. It's equally amazing that people can't get that this is a criminal preceding and not an issue where the NCAA has original jurisdiction. There is a lot of wishful thinking in these two regards.

    What does giving the death penalty to Penn State do anyways? It punishes the people who did no wrong in the first place. If Sandusky and Paterno were still part of the team it would be a different matter. Sandusky however is in prison and Paterno is dead. Most of the staff (granted, it should be all of the former staff) is gone, a large number of higher ups at the university that were involved in this are gone... there's nothing left to punish. You can only squeeze so much blood from a turnip.

    And if you do this to the university, who hurts the most? Is the the players that did absolutely nothing wrong? The same players that made a commitment to play for a university and potentially start there? The same students that have already had to make major adjustments in life and would have to make just as many adjustments? The same students that have played hard for a team to get where they are, and would have to start from square one in their senior, their junior, their sophomore seasons?

    How about the student body that has done absolutely nothing wrong? Should we punish them because they simply root for the Nittany Lions? The same students that have supported their team through thick and now thin? The same students that have condoned the university for not taking appropriate action and who have supported the due process of the law?

    How about the student athletes in other sports? Should we punish them for wearing navy and white? By getting rid of the football team for a season and perhaps having them play on the road for future years, we could simply shut down the basketball teams. Perhaps because of this we can take down their renowned volleyball team for what a member of administration did. How do you want to tell the other athletic teams that because of mob opinion that their sports can't run on the same athletic budget?

    How about the community that has supported Penn State through all of these years and have become a part of the Penn State family? What about the businesses that depend upon the business of 107,000+ fans that come in during autumn Saturdays? Perhaps the money will come from elsewhere; surely the dependance on so many patrons is not that much for a mom and pop shop to write off. Perhaps the people who will find unemployment due to a lack of sales will find another job elsewhere in this terrible economy.

    Who will the death penalty punish? It's an easy question to answer when you look at the big picture. Sandusky doesn't care now that the football program has a tarnished reputation; all he has to worry about is living though his jail time. Paterno can't care now; his judgement is in higher hands whatever that judgement may be. To many on this board it's ok to repeat the Treaty of Versailles. All the people who did absolutely nothing wrong have been painted as target practice by many members of this board. And what will it acomplish? Will the rapes be erased? Will Sandusky have never existed?

    Penn State already has a mountain to climb. There will be a good number of suits on their hands and the money is going to flow faster than liqueur after the repeal of the 21st amendment. Their reputation is tarnished and it's going to be a long time before any of the painful memories can be eased. Penn State is only starting the healing process.

    What happened at Penn State is horrible; I'm not excusing Paterno or his staff and administration for what happened. What I am saying however is that any sort of penalty against the student athletes is going to hurt many innocent people and will not affect the perpetrators nor the true victims. If you're ready to nuke central Pennsylvania, remember that you are about to ruin the lives of innocent students, employees, residents and the economy. If you can live with the destruction of an entire community that is still trying to recover from the horror of what happen, then perhaps the death penalty is for you. However, if you listen to reason and if you judge without bias, you will realize that too many innocent people have already been hurt. I appeal to your reason, and I ask that you think before you judge a reeling university before you hand down your own judgement.

    I think this post is perfect answer to the haters that want PSu death penalty....

    Sent white_post to one guy by text b/c he thinks death penalty is right.

    His response:

    I agree with a lot of that, but the ncaa punishes the innocent all the time. This wouldnt be something new to penn state. Smu had a ton of innocent punished. And the football program was at the heart of this whole matter. Enabling what he was doing.

    "the football program" was heart....common theme from haters. SMH

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    ACtheStud

  • Shouldn't the Red Sox agree to sit out a year?

    Posas14

  • Posas14 said...

    Shouldn't the Red Sox agree to sit out a year?

    Maybe USA swimming or the entire Olympic team?

    if this guy is right, it is just as bad if not worse as what happened at PSU due to its systemic nature...http://www.beyondchron.org/news/index.php?itemid=10009

    U.S. Swimming Sex Scandal: Abuse, Molestation, Secret Tapings & More

    U.S. swim coaches have molested, groped and secretly taped numerous teenage swimmers over the past decade, according to ABC News. The network counts by the U.S. governing body for swimming.

    www.huffingtonpost.com

    Lion_in_CBus

  • Posas14 said...

    Shouldn't the Red Sox agree to sit out a year?

    I think they already are..

    JTNITTANY

  • Lion_in_CBus said...

    Maybe USA swimming or the entire Olympic team?

    if this guy is right, it is just as bad if not worse as what happened at PSU due to its systemic nature...http://www.beyondchron.org/news/index.php?itemid=10009

    How about the military - should we shut it down as there were rapes and murders from with in?

    FarmDog12

  • white_out, who sent that to you? Just curious?

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  • PSUjosh11 said...

    white_out, who sent that to you? Just curious?

    A friend of mine saw it somewhere else. Not sure where, he didn't specify, just that it was a tremendous read.

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  • white_out said...

    A friend of mine saw it somewhere else. Not sure where, he didn't specify, just that it was a tremendous read.

    Ah, I gotchya. I agree though, definitely a tremendous read.

    I think within time, folks (i.e. media members, etc.) will slowly turn away from the death penalty talk. It's all just a snap reaction. I guarendamntee you half of them didn't read the entire Freeh report and are only reporting on "hearsay", etc. from other media outlets. Things will calm down within time and hopefully some folks will actually think things through and pay attention to the facts.

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  • Lion_in_CBus said...

    Maybe USA swimming or the entire Olympic team?

    if this guy is right, it is just as bad if not worse as what happened at PSU due to its systemic nature...http://www.beyondchron.org/news/index.php?itemid=10009

    ESPN and other "news" outlets don't care about swimming. Because PSU held themselves to a higher level than most schools athletic programs the media is out in full force for our heads when only a few failed us.

    The guys calling for the death penalty do not have skin in the game. NCAA is well aware of what football can do at PSU. We can bring so much positive out of this negative and I believe we will. Hell we are a school and should start a program for exploited and abused children or at least research. I trust this President, Athletic Director, and Coach to lead and come up with great ideas to help heal the wounds of vicitims, fans, alum, and community. I think then we will see the blood lust of sports talking heads settle. Eventually this PSU leadership will take the muzzle off and talk sense to these talking heads but right now is not the time.

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    DW66

  • Colorado Lion said...

    ESPN and other "news" outlets don't care about swimming. Because PSU held themselves to a higher level than most schools athletic programs the media is out in full force for our heads when only a few failed us.

    The guys calling for the death penalty do not have skin in the game. NCAA is well aware of what football can do at PSU. We can bring so much positive out of this negative and I believe we will. Hell we are a school and should start a program for exploited and abused children or at least research. I trust this President, Athletic Director, and Coach to lead and come up with great ideas to help heal the wounds of vicitims, fans, alum, and community. I think then we will see the blood lust of sports talking heads settle. Eventually this PSU leadership will take the muzzle off and talk sense to these talking heads but right now is not the time.

    Oh, I know...its just sad in this day that one outrageous scandal can go quietly away (and from all accounts continue to occur).

    Lion_in_CBus

  • Agree and Syracuse as well.

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    Colorado Lion

  • Thanks for posting that Paul. Good stuff.

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